In which Cam was revolted

[misscam]

Appalling the first: Oh, they're not "enemy combatants" - but they're still stuck at Guntanamo Bay

Excuse me while I balk. Way to go there, US. Way to be a shining beckon for freedom and democracy. (And the medical profession, it seems.)

Appalling the second: Woman assaults 14-year-old boy, has his babies and harassed him for childsupport - but no jail time

Excuse me while I balk again. So she basically rapes him, then tries to *hit him up for child support*? Revolting. Good on him for taking custody of his son, though.

Somewhat-appalling the third: Email recieved through one of the CSI mailing lists I'm on.
hi my name is brittany. can someone please do this so i can get a free laptop. i have no money to by one. and my family is really struggling with money. i just really want this laptop. so can someone please fill this out for me. i need 18 people. to do this.
http://www.urlcamisntgiving.com
PLEASE HELP ME. I WILL REALLY APRECIATE IT ALOT. GOD BLESS YOU ALL!!!!

Because God is all about laptops to the people, you know.

Definitely-appaling the fourth: Bill Napoli describes his idea world - shot-gun weddings, and abortion only in some cases, like, "a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated."

There are no words for how much this man revolts me. Newsflash, asshole. A rape is in no way any less horrid or damaging even if the victim isn't a virginal "good Christian girl". It doesn't hurt any less even if you're an atheist and have had sex before. *Trust me*, you digusting excuse for a penis. It's still, to quote my mother, "about the most degrading and foul thing you could do to someone short of killing them, and if you're killed, at least you don't have to face the aftermath". Also, you don't need to have been ravaged for it to have been rape, mmkay? Twat. Twattity McTwat of clan GreatTwattiy.

Right, I was tagged:
Bribes. 
Five most effective things to bribe me with. If you get tagged, you have to do it and tag five people.

1. Icons and other kinds of fanart.
2. Pop-Tarts
3. Long feedback
4. Sticking Norway into a fanfic (hey, I'm easy) and goodfic in general
5. Surprise gifts

I tag: lotus79, evilstorm, pulsarkat, aervir and adoralyna

In other news:
UK TV bans use of word "bloody" in ads for Australian tourism (but apparently, "hell" is all good.)
Weight rise blamed in US ferry sinking
US men fight child support laws
Berlusconi might be indicted
Bush avoids a full fight with own party, but is left with scratches
Verdicts in Norway's largest robbery fall
Discovery over Arctic flowers delight botanists
Jackson ranch is shut down
LJ and ads? (Though of course, those who are paid users avoid that. Like moi.)

Comments

[csi-sara-sidle.livejournal.com]

I saw the 'Roe v. Wade for Men' story on the news last night during my work break. Pretty much flipped out.

I can understand, in a way. But men have penises and they can choose to say no.

A question raised last night was, does he realize the money goes to the child and not the mother? He's not paying the mom to have the kid, he's enabling his daughter to have clothes, food, and a decent home.

If the courts rule in his favor, man, that'll be opening up Pandora's Box... every man who gets a woman pregnant through random sex will be like "I didn't want this child so I don't have to pay!" and the poverty level will be ridiculous, and there'll be SO many single mothers on welfare.

To that I say, god damn it... if you don't ever ever ever want to have a kid, and you want to make sure you stay kid-less, and you want it to be as easy as possible... keep it zipped. Because that's like, the only 100% foolproof method of birth control.

::shakes head:: This coming from a girl who's all for first-term abortion, and gets it on a regular basis, and STILL doesn't want kids. I'm so weird.

have a good day Miss Camilla!!!

if I'm incoherent...yeah, I'm incoherent on Friday nights

[evilstorm.livejournal.com]

There was a report in the NEJM about the forcefeeding. Heck, the NEJM has had several articles on GBay previously. Some of them were...rather pissed off. Have a quote from the December 2005 article:

Although many aspects of the U.S. military's handling of detainees during the war on terror have been justly criticized, it remains a point of pride among medical workers, security staff, and military leaders at Guantanamo that there have been no deaths among Camp Delta prisoners. Clearly, Hood hopes to maintain that record. "I will not allow them to do harm to themselves," he told us. The military's policy of tube feeding prisoners on hunger strike is controversial, and military health care providers are "screened" before deployment to Guantanamo "to ensure that they do not have ethical objections to assisted feeding," Edmondson told me.

Link here, assuming the damn thing works. It's not frothing at the mouth, meaning it's nice and balanced, which may or may not be a good thing depending on how you feel. But as an article, it is very well-written.

Yay doctors for speaking out. And they're right, the definition of torture used is absolutely ridiculous. Off the top of my head, I can think of so many horrific things to do to people that doesn't endanger their life, it's not even funny. (Will spare you gory details unless asked, but really, just look at the history books. Yah.)

Aaaagggghhhh South Dakota STOP MAKING MY BLOOD PRESSURE GO UP, I get enough stress from school already. -_- *aaaaand...caves to temptation* OH THAT FUCKER.

Eeek, memeage. *trundles off to do it*

[aervir.livejournal.com]

You already know my opinion on Bill Napoli, and it definitely hasn't changed one bit.

I also wanted to comment on the fight of US men against child support laws, but csi_sara_sidle has pretty much summed up my point of view. If that guy got the right to wriggle out of his financial responsibilities, it would create a legal precedent that would only end up by punishing the child(ren) in question.

I mean if the amount of child support is adjusted according to the respective income of mother and father (meaning that he doesn't have to pay that much if she should actually earn more than he does), that's fine with me. But abolishing it? Nah.

*trundles off to do the meme-thing*

Um, what are pop-tarts, by the way?

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I quite agree on the Pandora's Box. I can understand the man being peeved - rather nasty trick the woman pulled on him. However - that ain't the kid's fault, and I worry that ruling in the guy's favour is just starting a slippery slope. If you are a father, you have rights and responsibility alike. That's how it is, for the kid's sake as much as anything.

Have a good day yourself, heh.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. Not sure how I feel about force feeding myself, it's a... issue with issues, to put it that way.

I do know how I feel about Guntanamo. Grrr.

Off the top of my head, I can think of so many horrific things to do to people that doesn't endanger their life, it's not even funny.

Ooooh yeah. Not to mention torture can be fricking mental thing too. The brain can scar too, and you don't even need to touch someone to do it.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Oh, I hear ya. I can sympathize with teh guy in question, but I fear sparing him some annoyance and unfairness would just create a lot more unfairness and misery down the line.

Life can be a sucky thing sometimes, alas.

Pop-Tarts!

I got hooked on them staying in the US. Very sad.

[aervir.livejournal.com]

Mmmm, pop-tarts sound exactly like the unhealthy, sugary, malnutritious sort of food I like.

[falena]

Oh yes, Berlusconi might be indicted. Though I'm pretty sure that even if he did he'd get away scot-free. Again. *sigh*
He's got too much money and very good lawers. Not to mention that he cleverly (and quietly - most of my fellow countrymen knows nothing about this) changed the law so that the magistrates' hands are tied, when it comes to the crimes he and his cronies are accused of.

In the mean time he'll get to play the victim and do his usual I'm-a-martyr number on TV. See, this is all part of the scheme orchestrated by those evil Communist Milan magistrates, who are all out to get him.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

They're divine. It's downright evil that they're not made in Norway.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Berlusconi is a shining example on why it's not enough to establish a democracy, you gotta damn well work hard to keep it that way, or you get the Berlusconis of the world. They might get elected, but not from a level playing field and not in a particulary democratic way.

*smacks him*

[siraj.livejournal.com]

Appalling 2: Sweet Anubis... I have no words... I'm pretty sure Anubis does, but I don't...

Appaling 3: *facepalms* idiocy knows no bounds...

Ferry: ... ... That makes my brain hurt...

Child Support: Well, I hate to play devil's advocate here, but they do have a point... if the woman tells them "no kids" or "can't get pregnant" and then has a kid, that's really not fair to the guy, since they verbally agreed on it beforehand.

Bush scratches: 'Scuse me while I mock... *points and laughs at Bush*

Arctic flowers: Okay, now THAT is cool!

LJ Ads: Hey, I'm one of those that wouldn't mind. Even one ad turned on, with 3 million LJers... That's some serious cash. And the LJ crew seems genuinely concered about doing the best they can to NOT drive everyone insane with them, so I'm intrigued.

[siraj.livejournal.com]

And yes, I do realize that I've probably stepped in it with both feet on the child support issue, so if I'm wrong, feel free to smack me until I'm unconscious.

[aervir.livejournal.com]

But you Norwegians still got Lutefisk instead.

Can't you even get them in the "foreign food section" of the big department stores? That's where I occasionally buy some Japanese stuff here in Munich, so American pop tarts might also attract some Norwegian buyers.

[sparklechick268.livejournal.com]

Bill Napoli describes his idea world - shot-gun weddings, and abortion only in some cases, like, "a rape victim, brutally raped, savaged. The girl was a virgin. She was religious. She planned on saving her virginity until she was married. She was brutalized and raped, sodomized as bad as you can possibly make it, and is impregnated."

That is just...
Aaargh! People like that really get on my nerves. Just because someone's not a virgin, it doesn't make being raped any easier to handle. It would be absolutely traumatic no matter what the circumstances of your past. Having the control taken from you in making a decision about a baby's life if you get pregnant is just absurd! If it was an act of rape, the decision of what to do should be yours and yours alone. And as for whether you get pregnant or not being an issue, what's that got to do with the pain and mental anguish that you would immediately suffer anyway? If someone is raped but does not get pregnant, should they just be put out of mind? Of course not! I'm guessing I've probably gone way beyond disagreeing whith what he actually said, but this is an issue that really gets to me.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

We don't as much have big department stores, and the ones we have, I haven't seen a foreign food section as such.

Woe is us.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

And it is fair to the kid? That's who the child support goes to, after all. It's the kid who ends up being screwed over if the guy gets his claim through. I sympathize with him, but concern for the child must come first.

Not to mention, you open the "if he didn't want the kid, he's not economically responsible" can of worms, any guy who knocks up a chick can play it with legal presedent and... No, that's not a world I particulary want.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

He is a prick. The reaction is utterly justified. And word. It *IS* traumatic regardless, and anyone who say otherwise and go choke on a ball of STFU.

(Of course, how much trauma is suffered can be rather individual, but this is much more a thing of personalities varying, support system afterwards varying than sexual history beforehand.)

[aervir.livejournal.com]

*commiserates*

[siraj.livejournal.com]

I knew you'd end up planting your boot in my ass on this, but I'm trying to see it from the perspective of the lady telling the guy "I can't get pregnant" (whether it's due to a medical condition, barren from birth, or what have you that she states it's impossible to have kids), so the guy thinks "okay, she can't get pregnant, it's impossible for her to do so, don't have to worry about the possiblity one bit", and then, surprise surprise, she's pregnant by him.

When that's the case, it's not fair to the guy, because she lied throuh her teeth about being able to get preggers. He's not ready for the financial obligation of supporting a kid, because he was told otherwise and therefore led to believe false information. Admittedly, it's also not fair to the kid in that situation, but I just don't think it's fair to the guy either.

To be told that it's impossible for the gal he's screwing to get pregnant, then months later "oh, I'm pregnant!", what's that do for the guy that believed all along that it was impossible?


The above is the only case in which I think they'd be justified one iota to be relieved of that obligation. Everything else has legal precedent, and there's nothing wrong with the other potential instances, in my opinion.