Oy Vey

Feb. 4th, 2006 08:08 pm
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They're actually burning our embassy.

Good grief.

None of our people, or the Danish appear to have been injured, luckily. Still... This has just gone mad.

Date: 2006-02-04 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dune-drd.livejournal.com
Seems like they're burning/abducting everything even remotely european...

Date: 2006-02-04 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
That too, but Denmark and Norway are also being deliberately targetted. Danish newspaper made the cartoon, a little Norwegian paper was the first to reprint them. This apparently justifies threatning our people and burning our land, which the embassy technically is.

Madness.

Date: 2006-02-04 08:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dune-drd.livejournal.com
Utter madness. And their behaviour just ensures that more and more papers are reprinting them. I think every longer news coverage has them by now. *sigh* And those are the people that usually complain the western world would 'generalize' them all as terrorists... look at them, burning every foreign flag they find.

Date: 2006-02-04 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starsong24.livejournal.com
Maybe the papers should give it a break. This is insane, but we're just giving them reasons.

Date: 2006-02-04 10:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dune-drd.livejournal.com
Yeah, but it's a vicious circle by now, isn't it? They burn flags, more papers write about it, etc. etc.

I really understand that they're upset, never thought it would have such consequences

Date: 2006-02-04 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harmonyfb.livejournal.com
What a bunch of asses. As if their deity needs their 'defense'. ::spits on ground::

And the pope can kiss my lily-white arse. Religion isn't exempt from being mocked, insulted, or challenged. Welcome to the 21st century.

Date: 2006-02-04 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
I'm pretty sure most deities - if believed to be true - would manage to defend themselves just fine if they wanted.

Sigh. What a mess.

Date: 2006-02-04 07:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maureenlycaon.livejournal.com
&*^%$#!

Goddamned savages.

(I need to make an icon for being outraged and angry . . .)

Date: 2006-02-04 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Yeah. And of course, now the savages in Norway will have ammo to stir the situation even more shitty.

Fuck.

Date: 2006-02-04 07:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dusk-in-dendera.livejournal.com
For the love of God (or Allah), could people just calm the hell down? No insult, however offensive, warrants that kind of reaction. I find it ironic that burning the flags of other countries, as well as effegies of other leaders, is considered acceptable to that part of the world, but a few cartoons from Europe and they all go batsh*t crazy. *facepalm* Why don't we all just stay on our side of the planet and ignore each other if we can't get along?

Date: 2006-02-04 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cantralian.livejournal.com
That is just insanity. Complete and utter insanity. Gods, if they exist, don't need people to stand up for them - they're either above it, or quite capable of making their feelings known.

And what is the point of burning down the embassies - shouldn't they be finding - I don't know - newspaper outlets or companies related to the papers that published the cartoons? (Not saying it's right, just that it's more logical...or as close to pseudo-logical as something so fucking crazy could ever get.)

This is just going to keep getting nastier, isn't it?

Date: 2006-02-04 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 20thcenturyvole.livejournal.com
The most... amusing? Irritating? *facepalm*-inducing? ...thing about these protests, these riots, all this enormous fuss, is that the more fuss is made, the more poeple want to know what the hell is going on and why, and so the more newspapers print the Goddamned cartoon around the world. It just keeps escalating. It's so stupid.

So far, the UAE has reacted by banning Danish goods, so I'm just deprived of Lurpak. Nevertheless: it's upsetting and crazy-making, because I hate people being stupid and illogical. I'm extremely upset by the violence, but I'm also very annoyed at the dumb fuck who drew the cartoon in the first place. Nice work, genius -- print a cartoon that you know is racist, inflammitory, and incredibly offensive to a minority that is currently feeling incredibly threatened by the Western world and balances on a political knife-edge at the best of times. Good going. I hope they terminated your stupid ass.

Date: 2006-02-04 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] doubtful-salmon.livejournal.com
Isn't that insane?

The world at large needs...crazy pills. I don't even know who exactly to call insane anymore because it seems to me that everyone's just gone bonkers.

Date: 2006-02-04 08:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sekhmets-temple.livejournal.com
Hooooo-lyyyyy crap! I guess that's a literal holy crap at that.

I have to agree with this bit in the blurb: However, several European papers reprinted the cartoons, citing free speech.

I get that it involved using an image of the prophet, Muhammed, and that's a no-no in Islam, but it's not like the Danish government hung a poster of that image on the embassy's front lawn.

As much as I think America is wacky (mostly from a you-elected-George-Dubya-for-a-second-term standpoint) if they were to burn down an embassy everytime one of the anti-American countries burned the American flag (I believe it's illegal to do so in the States) then they'd be toasting marshmallows 24/7.

Anyhow, I'm glad no one was hurt in this, uh, incident.

I hate organised religion with every cell in my body.

Date: 2006-02-05 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uangel05.livejournal.com
actually its still legal to burn US flags in the US. They tried to pass a law in the 90s but it was ruled unconstitutional. ^_^

Date: 2006-02-05 12:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sekhmets-temple.livejournal.com
Aaah, thanks for the info. I wasn't really sure.

Date: 2006-02-04 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elenculda.livejournal.com
Zealots scare me.

Date: 2006-02-04 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinneahtes.livejournal.com
*head explodes* I was getting worried about how the outrage over this seemed to be continuing...

Geez. When I see a cartoon that mocks my beliefs or makes ridiculous statements about people who believe what I do, I mock it right back. But maybe that's just me, being silly in my belief that a cartoon is a really fucking stupid thing to burn a foreign embassy for. (Or did these particular people already have it in mind to burn down something, and this cartoon just gave them an excuse?)

Glad no one has (at least reportedly) been hurt, at least...

Date: 2006-02-04 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinneahtes.livejournal.com
Rereading, my comment looks a bit awkward to me.

"a cartoon" -- having looked closer at some of the news articles, I'm sure many of the people involved aren't thinking of the cartoon so much as that their prophet was drawn, and apparently not in a very nice way, either, and that's sacriligious and disrespectful to them. Still... I don't think it's asking too much not to burn down an embassy because of it...

(Or did these particular people already have it in mind to burn down something, and this cartoon just gave them an excuse?)

I'll clarify here that I'm referring to these people who would do something like this (regardless of religion), and not Muslims in general, of course.

Date: 2006-02-04 08:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] knorg.livejournal.com
I hope somebody got all that high quality scandinavian porn out first.

Date: 2006-02-04 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ligaras.livejournal.com
O_o

What has the world come to...
*sigh*

Date: 2006-02-04 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starsong24.livejournal.com
Yes. It has.

You moved me to make a post on it.

Date: 2006-02-04 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] vixenmage.livejournal.com
*sigh* THE WORLD'S GONE MAD.

Why didn't this happen every time someone wanted to make fun of Christianity? They've been doing that for -ages- and no one ever did anything about it!

Now we have this shit going around. Remember Hellfire's racist post about Islam? People like this are the reason why people think like that.

Bloody idiots, all of them.

Date: 2006-02-04 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ibardicus.livejournal.com
Its madness...and very sad.

What really gets to me is the hypocracy of it all...for many middle-eastern publications have published quite readily some very disturbing anti-semitic imagery, which is offensive to those of the jewish faith. Why is one ok to print one and not the other...

Sigh*

*goes back to reading novel and escapes into fanfiction as well*

Date: 2006-02-04 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orla-fey.livejournal.com
I don’t think that the people who made the cartoon are in any way justified for producing such (that they knew was going to generate anger), but those being so illogically reactionary are even less justified.

I’m sorry that a few people’s productions and distributions represent all of Denmark and Norway to the Syrians, and I’m sorry that the radical protesters are going to represent the entire country of Syria to the rest of the world.

I can’t get a hold of my friend in Damascus to ask her about it (and make sure she’s safe). :(

Date: 2006-02-04 10:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] highwindpav.livejournal.com
O_O

I, uh, understand why Muslims might get mad about something decidedly anti-Muslim being published...but, erm, burning down embassies is a bit extreme on the reaction scale.

I mean, I get ticked when people go off on how looney my religion is and characterize us as abortion-clinic-bombing gay-killing insane people (this includes me getting mad at the loons that make everyone think my religion is loonier than it is), but...no, haven't gone and burnt down an embassy over it. Much more understandable and at least not make-yourself-look-like-crazies to yell about it and make hurt feelings known without decending into such violence.

I wonder how many people are saying, "You, out of my country!" for pissing off large quantities of people and how many are saying, "You, out of my religion!" for going absolutely insane over an insult?

But then, I haven't seen the cartoon so I don't know how insulting it really is...or the intentions of the person who drew it and the people who published it.

It's really sad though...the vicious circle is in place now, and when is it going to stop feeding on itself?

Date: 2006-02-04 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roguem.livejournal.com
That's just insane.
The world is going to hell in a handbasket... I swear.

Date: 2006-02-04 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nirix5.livejournal.com
You ever wonder if it really is the end of the world, and then you realize that you can't wait for it to finish the hell up because it means that everyone would collectively chill out, at least for a while?

Damn. The world's brain seems to be hardwired backwards.

Date: 2006-02-04 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avari-elf.livejournal.com
This is really horrible. I really hope no European gets hurt in this mess.

Less tragic and a tiny bit funny, from the French news:

Palestian fundies kidnapped a bunch of people they thought were European. Then they realized they were in fact Palestinians and had to release them.

Last night, the French news were showing fanatics burning a French flag. The commentaor was making fun of them as they had in fact mistaken a Dutch flag for a French one.

This last incident makes me think French are good at camouflage: French fries are from Belgium, the flag is in fact Dutch...

Date: 2006-02-04 11:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sinneahtes.livejournal.com
The first thing I thought when I read this comment: "That actually reminds me of how various idiotic Americans were right after 9/11..." O_o

Date: 2006-02-05 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avari-elf.livejournal.com
French: unpopular with everybody since 58 BC. ;)

Date: 2006-02-04 11:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] norwegianne.livejournal.com
Little bit resigned now. And a little bit scared of the metro system in Copenhagen, though I expect that they'll police it more heavily than customary now. I love my bike.

But anyway - it's gone completely mad. The editor of Jyllandsposten has apparently apologized for it, so what more do they want?

I do get that religion can cause people to do wacky things, but how many of the protesters/mob have actually seen the fucking drawings? And how many of them are relying on second hand messages?

I dunno - you kind of get used to everything being mockable and then this comes along, showing that everybody does not share the same kind of humour.

Date: 2006-02-05 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] erhothwen.livejournal.com
Oh my. Not the way to go. What ever happened to peaceful protest?

Date: 2006-02-05 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siraj.livejournal.com
This really makes me sad... The whole world's going insane...

*crawls into a hole to wait it out*

Date: 2006-02-05 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iristigerlily.livejournal.com
I was bought up in a Christian family, and I can't count the number of times that we were insulted (every second Gary Larson comic, newspapers.. just read Hitchhikers for a start) and we didn't go and burn any embassies or anything. Just take it in a stride, and learn to laugh about it is what we were told.

Date: 2006-02-05 03:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evilstorm.livejournal.com
Holy fuck? Yeah, I think this warrants a holy fuck.

Dudes. Muslim extremists--calm the hell down. Cartoonists--...it's your prerogative to print stuff under the free speech thing, but you don't have to abuse it, yeah? You love it okay go.

Date: 2006-02-05 04:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hadria.livejournal.com
Doesn't it occur to them that they're validating exactly what the cartoons depicted? Apparently not.

Date: 2006-02-05 07:15 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] visp.livejournal.com
Cartoonists: All Muslims are terrorists!
Muslims: OMG WE KEEL YOU AND BURN SHIT!!!!!!!!!111
Rest of the world: Eh, not exactly helping your case there, guys.

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