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(This is a post covering a few Norway-involved subjects I've written on in bits and pieces and now post, for those who have interest in my wee fjord-filled country.)

Ever wondered who the worst Norwegian serial killer was?

Let me introduce you to Belle Gunness. Born in Norway, but travelled to the US early in her 20s and committed 14-49 murders, no one is quite sure. Some claim more, because she apparently fed bodies to her pigs. Did she fake her death or not? No one knows. Why did she become a serial killer? Money seems to be at least one motive.

She did grow up in Norway at a time Norway was about the poorest country in Europe. (Yeah, times do ever change, don't they?) She was born in poverty and fairly low social staus. This no doubt played into her later desires. But man, must've been more to it.

And why do we enjoy such morbid tales? The human capacity to enjoy the gruesome is quite great, even when it gets wrapped up in nicer language.

Other accounts, with more details and other angles:
Here (with pictures)
Here
Here

And Canadians, ever wondered what happened to all the maple syrup (5 tons!) you gave to the Norwegian coach for handing Sara Renner a pole in the Olympics? This is what. Chess, a mobile phone company, donated 150 000 NOK to the Norwegian Cancer Fund and then got to help distribute the cans around the country during spring/summer. Amusingly, my dad got one. Thank you, Canada.

Been reading up on the Black Death in Norway - the great plague that swept through Asia and Europe, you all know it, yes? It came to Norway in 1349 with a ship coming to Bergen. It apparently hit us worse than some of the other countries, though hard to say.

(Really, there is so much we don't know about the plague and have many theories on - where exactly it came from, why some areas were largely spared it, if the plagues that came later was related to it, why plagues died out - though one theory on the latter amuses me: "According to the bubonic plague theory, one possible explanation for the disappearance of plague from Europe may be that the black rat (Rattus rattus) infection reservoir and its disease vector was subsequently displaced and succeeded by the bigger Norwegian, or brown, rat (Rattus norvegicus), which is not as prone to transmit the germ-bearing fleas to humans in large rat die-offs." Wikipedia. Of course, it isn't actually from Norway. Also, the rat theory is disputed.)

Some theories state half our population was killed, some say 2/3rds. Most importantly, it more or less killed the educated part of society, the administrative class and more or less Old Norse too. It more or less pushed us into a union with Denmark with Norway was the weaker part, a period we call the "the 400 year night". They took our colonies - Orkney and Shetland Islands which they later sold to Scotland, Greenland and the Faeroe Islands which remain Danish today and Iceland, which declared independence during WW2. Danes moved to Norway. Their language became the written language and influenced the oral too. We still have a conflict of languages today between the Danish influenced bokmål and the more dialect-inspired nynorsk. And all this traces back to the plague. What would Norway have been like had we been spared it? For that matter, what would Europe?

Such a catastropic event sparked myths of course. In Norway, it was the idea that the plague came as an old woman. It was said she carried a rake and a broom. If she used the rake in front of a farm, one or two on it might live. If she used the broom, all would die. It's been depicted in art,
like so and so and so. These by Theodor Kittelsen, rather beloved Norwegian artist. (More art by him here.)

One possibly intresting consequence of the Black Plague:
"That backs a theory put forth by Stephen O'Brien, who's reached all the way back to the 14th century to suggest that survivors of the Black Death, a bubonic plague that wiped out two-thirds of the population of Europe, may be responsible for passing on HIV resistance to us today. Using evolutionary backtracking, O'Brien found signs that a major outside factor, possibly a microbe or great plague, caused the Delta 32 mutation in the CCR-5 human gene around 688 years ago that is linked to HIV resistance today. Black Death, says O'Brien, neatly fits the niche. That might partly explain why Europeans and their American descendants carry this gene mutation, and why it's absent among other groups."

Thing I didn't know - Norway apparently has coal reserves in the sea. Cripes. Lemme get this straight - we already have a fortune from oil and still have decades left of oil to sell. We have gas and an increasing gas export and fairly nice gas reserves that will last decades at the very least. Now we have coal too?

What the fuck will Norway do with all that money?

Have also been reading a truckload of books on WW2, especially more about some of the German side. We don't as much get taught that in school, but man, does it ever show you that war, as justified as it might've been in advance, just brings the nasty out in everyone. War happens. Everyone suffers. And man, the British did actually conspire and plot to get Norway involved in the war and did add to the German decision to invade us. It wasn't talked much about just after the war, but it's certainly come to light. (Qusling was actually right that the Brits were planning to ignore our neutrality. Not that it changes him being a traitor, but there is a certain.... Irony, I guess, to it.) And yet... Though the invasion meant my beloved Norway got to suffer more than it woud've otherwise, the greater good was in a sense served. Hitler stuck 300 000 German troops in Norway. Aside from the battles in the invasion, those troops never fought. their lives were saved, allied lives were saved. Norwegians died, yes, but we were treated a lot better than many occupied countries, due to our being Germanic. (We're not Germans, but we are Germanic - northern Germanic tribes that wandered north and settled in Scandinavia. This is why I can understand some German without ever having learned it.) Perhaps, though I wish no one would have to die, the German invasion of Norway served a good purpose for all it was a nasty thing.

I suppose the lesson is that sometimes, the greater good is a pain in the ass.

More about Norway and WW2 here.

In other Norwegian news:
Norwegians go mad for Lego project
Moose centre opens
Robust economy still boming
Suggestion for tough punishment for 'hate crimes'
American ambassador gets told to STFU

Date: 2006-09-05 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kitness.livejournal.com
Personally, I would have sent him a beaver and some Tim Horton's coffee, but y'know, tastes differ. My country amuses me.

Date: 2006-09-05 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
We have beavers too, you know :P

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Date: 2006-09-05 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wendymr.livejournal.com
Oh, spare them from the Timmy's coffee! I love Tim's, seriously, but the coffee is crap. :P Now, maple dip doughnuts and Timbits would do very nicely :)

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Date: 2006-09-05 11:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] calapine.livejournal.com
...Orkney and Shetland Islands which they later sold to Scotland

Mwahaha! We're the greatest empire ever!

Date: 2006-09-05 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
You're so not.

Just wait till we make the US New Vinland, hah!

Date: 2006-09-05 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maajaml.livejournal.com
What the fuck will Norway do with all that money?

Buy Greenland from Denmark..? Hehe :D

Date: 2006-09-05 11:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Smartarse.

Maybe we could start our own space program.

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Date: 2006-09-05 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] canadian-kazz.livejournal.com
You're welcome for the maple syrup. It's not like we don't have enough of it. :)

(How should I know that anyway? I'm in Australia right now!)

Date: 2006-09-05 11:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Still, five tons is quite a bit. Good thing import duty was wavered on it, or ouch.

How is Australia today?

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Date: 2006-09-06 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moonburst.livejournal.com
Hey! I know about Belle Gunness too! I live near LaPorte, Indiana, and in sixth grade I visited the LaPorte County Museum. Really, there wasn't much of interest there. Our area really has no interesting history. However, they had this really creepy, life-size paper-mache model of Belle Gunness in a weird sort of house place in the basement. It gave the history of how many people she'd killed and had a really odd poem about it. It gave me nightmares for about a week afterwards. :)

Date: 2006-09-06 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Yeah, I hear she gave LaPorte a certain claim to fame - there's a movie about her in progress, I hear, which will undoubtedly add a bit too it.

She certainly was a... special woman.

Date: 2006-09-06 01:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dalinae.livejournal.com
Such a catastropic event sparked myths of course. In Norway, it was the idea that the plague came as an old woman. It was said she carried a rake and a broom. If she used the rake in front of a farm, one or two on it might live. If she used the broom, all would die.

No way. We have the exact same myth about both the plague and the smallpox in Bulgaria.

Date: 2006-09-06 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Really? Huh. I suppose it is possible one inspired the other, but it wasn't that much contact between our countries back then, so... Interesting.

Date: 2006-09-06 03:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maureenlycaon.livejournal.com
Always fascinating, the "what if" questions that involve disease or climate . . .

Barbara Tuchman's A Distant Mirror: the Calamitous 14th Century is great for reading about the Black Death (among other topics).

The explanation I've heard for why brown rats are less likely to spread plague includes a claim that brown rats actually have a different species of flea from black rats, and that this flea is less likely to bite people.

Sometimes brown rats live in the sewers and basements while black rats live in roofs, so they can co-exist in at least some places. But we have mostly black rats in southern California, living in roofs and palm trees. Bubonic plague still pops up in the US here and there. Once our county veterinarian caught it and developed the pneumonic form (he recovered).

Date: 2006-09-06 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Yes, that is the same explanation I read. In addition, black rats lived closer to humans, while brown rates were more inclined to stay away.

Wow, does it? Huh. Never know with diseases - they have a tendency to come back.

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Date: 2006-09-06 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] satiate.livejournal.com
all of you are more than welcome to have all the canadian maple syrup you want. i personally can't stand the stuff. there's maple flavoured EVERYTHING here - doughnuts, candy, ice cream! it's disgusting. lol.

Date: 2006-09-06 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Get a bit sick of it, huh?

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Date: 2006-09-06 05:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siraj.livejournal.com
"What the fuck will Norway do with all that money?"

Please tell me it involves overthrowing Bush and making the USA a country to be proud of again?

Date: 2006-09-06 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com
Norse invasion! Norse invasion! Yeaaaaaa team!

::is really depressed today::

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Date: 2006-09-06 01:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mahala.livejournal.com
What the fuck will Norway do with all that money?

Become the new scientific and medical research leader of the world? We -- the world -- kinda desperately need one of those.

Date: 2006-09-06 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Well, we're doing some in that direction, at least. We're turning Svalbard into a major centre for Arctic research.

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Date: 2006-09-06 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mad-troll.livejournal.com
About the coal..
Wouldn't that be too hard on the atmosphere? Burning coal to obtain gas = very, very much CO2

Besides that, it's not as if Norway *would need* any more combustibles. Don't you already get the best part of electric energy from renowable..err..resources?

Date: 2006-09-06 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
We get almost all our energy from water power, yes. And we don't need it ourselves, so this company that found it is probably thinking of exports.

Date: 2006-09-06 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scullyseviltwin.livejournal.com
Loooove Belle Gunness... loooove her. Well not love cept... yeah, she was a crazy mo fo.

Date: 2006-09-06 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Her family still lives in Norway. Well, their descendents. I've seen interviews. Apparently, she might've had a bit of a trauma at 17 which made her a bit nuts.

Date: 2006-09-07 01:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mthespinner.livejournal.com
Oh, wow! The Norwegian government doesn't like Wal-Mart! Good taste triumphs! Evil Wal-Mart must be slain!

Can you tell I don't like Wal-Mart either?

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