And sometimes, you just want to smack people

[misscam]

"If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside...and the cats come and eat it... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat? The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

Excuse me while I have a moment of RAGE. The cleric has apparently apologised and said it was taken out of context and he in no way condones rape, but it hasn't lessened my deep abiding hate of any statement even alluring to women bringing on the rape themselves.

And this is not a 'muslim issue' and any who tries to make it that deserves a good smacking with a fish. This is a human problem. I've seen it being the woman's fault - the woman asking for it - alluded to by men, women, lawyers, good Christians, Fred-Phelps-like batshit Christians, atheists, agnostics, media, people paying attention to the media and on and on. Usually a little more subtle than this case, but in no way less offensive.

No one asks to be raped. It is about the most degrading thing you can do to another human being and it's the fault of no one but the bloody arsehole committing the crime. SO STOP MAKING IT WORSE.

So endeth the rant.

Comments

[myshka23.livejournal.com]

Oh yes, the debate about this has been going here since yesterday. And now the muslim community have accepted his apology. Not that he's apologising for his comments, just that he may have offended people. So everything's alright. Clearly.

[tessavance.livejournal.com]

And now his supporters are trying to pass the buck by claiming that he was misinterpreted and taken out of context. [sarcasm mode]Obviously it was a perfectly reasonable thing to say when taken in context[/sarcasm mode].

Can we just lock all these twats in a sound-proof (and possibly air-tight) room?

[loquacis.livejournal.com]

I hate those fake apologies. They don't mean "I messed up. I was wrong, I'm sorry". Instead they mean "I am sad that YOU are offended, but I meant what I said."

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Generally not in favour of those sort of "apologies". At all.

Just once I wish someone would go: "Me twat. Me say twatty things. Me so sorry. Please be forgiving me, you're not twats like me."

[misscam.livejournal.com]

The only sort of context I would accept a statement like that in would pretty much be "So here's this completely twatty thing someone said: [Quote] How many here feel like smacking this person?"

[sweill.livejournal.com]

I love the logic that men are as cats. It makes it all so very simple 'cause, GEE! Cats have no self control, no moral sense. Who can control cats?
Yeah.
Makes all sorts of sense.

And the non-apology apology... its like.. "NEW!! Apology LITE! All the words, none of the meaning! 99% sincerity-free! Try it today!!!"

[fannishnonsense]

Gah! So women are nothing but meat, and men are animals who can't help themselves? Real nice, asshole.

[elfie-samurai.livejournal.com]

Gah. >__< People like that... We had a whole conversation about this in my psych class recently. We came to the conclusion that a woman should not have to think, "Okay, now, is this outfit going to get me raped?" when she gets dressed in the morning.

A female student at a nearby university was recently found dead after being missing for a week, and they're calling it homocide. She was last seen leaving a group of friends around 2 AM. That's a common thing in that town; all the college students wander around at night, leaving cafes, going to their dorms, etc. But I've been hearing so many people saying, "Well, what was she doing walking around at two in the morning." BECAUSE SHE WASN'T EXPECTING SOME SICK FUCK TO DECIDE TO KILL HER, THAT'S WHY.

Gahhh...

[vulgarweed.livejournal.com]

What I've never understood about that line of "logic" is that if men really are that powerless over their predatory instincts, shouldn't they be the ones who should be kept cloistered at home, and not be able to go anywhere without being accompanied by a female relative, and have to wear blindfolds in public, or at least blinders on the side like a draft horse? After all, they're the ones really causing the problems.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Granted, my cat is a fairly independent spirit, but he goes out when I tell him too and don't shit inside. So amazingly, he does have some control.

[satiate.livejournal.com]

*TWITCH*


those fucking patriarchal asshats.


i am actually so fucked off by this that i can't even express anything else.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

I know I feel like a steak every day when I wake up.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

It's such daft logic. Quite a lot of rapes happen in the home - where you're quite often dressed comfortably more than anything else.

It's quite enraging.

[honorh.livejournal.com]

And the thing is, it reduces men to the level of animals helpless to control their behavior. No, a cat can't resist uncovered meat, because it's a cat. A man should be able to look at a woman and, no matter how much he desires her, control his urges. Besides, rape isn't even about love or lust . . . argh. In other words, it's an insult to men, but phrased in such a way that it reduces women to "uncovered meat."

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, why are no one calling for men to be leashed? They could be taken out on walks with female supervision and maybe let loose to run a little when they've stopped barking at passing women.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Quite.

"Patriarchal asshat", nice phrase.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it is quite an insult to all men out there who don't rape, find it abhorrant and horrid and respects the idea of consent. Which is most of them, really.

And yeah, rape is quite often about power issues and what-not, sex is just the means.

[satiate.livejournal.com]

a;slkdjfl;aksj.


sometimes it's hard to be a feminist when all these useless idiots are constantly asserting implicitly that men are the be all and end all of civilization and that we poor dickless females have no right to have any say.


*STRANGLE*

[wendymr.livejournal.com]

I want to see men who say crap like that get raped themselves, and then have to deal with women telling them it's their own fault because they shouldn't have been out/dressed provocatively/said no in such a way that it obviously meant yes.

Wanker.

[siraj.livejournal.com]

*relaxes comfortably on his leash, tail wagging*

[megpie71.livejournal.com]

Ah yes, another competitor in the all-Australia "Open Mouth, Insert Foot" championships. There's a packed field this year, although over here in WA we're having trouble finding a rival for the current state Education minister.

As honorh said, the comment is intrinsically degrading to both women and men, because it reduces men to the level of being unable to control their "baser impulses". As a woman, I find this insulting because it places the onus on me to control someone else's behaviour, because they can't manage it themselves. I have enough damn problems with my *own* mental illness, thanks - I'm sure as hell not going to be solicitous and caring about someone else's.

Rape is a crime of power and anger. It's about making someone else do something they don't want to do, and accept something they don't want to accept (for example, sexual behaviour). Sex is the weapon used to commit the crime. This should be something which is taught in schools: Rape is not about sex.

[little-baldwin.livejournal.com]

He should definitely be deported for inciting rape, like the end of that article says. Good God, that's infuriating! Rape is rape, and no decent, respectable religious leader should ever condone it like that. Batshit, Miss Cam. By definition.

Uncovered meat, indeed. *glowers*

(Apologies for the excessive use of italics.)

[little-baldwin.livejournal.com]

...I went to school with someone named Siraj...

[little-baldwin.livejournal.com]

Don't we all.

[visp.livejournal.com]

Out of context? Unless the words before it were "and there are some crazy assholes who think..." and after it came "...and this thinking is an abomination to all civilized society", or other words to that effect, I don't think that excuse will fly, asshole.