Cam thinks fandom thoughts; fanfic peeks

[misscam]

Non-spoilery thoughts on BSG episode: Holy info-dump, I have to think about all that for a bit. Also, next episode please. I waaaaaaaaaaaant to knoooow everything. *whines*

It's my birthday in a week. Huh. Also, we don't really do Valetine's Day here, but I send you all a hearty dose of non-romantic love still. Because that is also an awesome kind. And flu is almost gone, hurrah!

Fandom thinky-thoughts:

- Sometimes, after having done modding over at T&C, I am so in the mindset of it I want to mod the rest of the Internets. This is very silly, because modding is really a bitch of a job and you'd go insane from that much work. Unless you were Judge Judy. She could mod the Internets.

- cot_reviews versus cot_tossed - it's like so many fandom fanfic debates all over. One is anon and fairly frank in the reviews, other is signed and as stated in the info, 'every fic is nominated because someone loves it'. I think I've run across versions of this in just about every fandom I've been in. And me, I always tend to end up defending someone's right to review a fanfic not favourably too (withough necessarily agreeing with that review at all). Not to stir shit or be intentionally mean, but because when you post in public, public reactions come with. It can suck to deal with critisism, no doubt, but not even the greatest writer is safe from opinion. Learn to live with it.

- Sign I am sad Adama/Roslin fangirl - it makes me a bit sad there is no ship_manifesto entry for them. I'd totally write one, except I am bad at OTP and would need a partner. Also, I need to stop making up theories in my head for how the show will end without either dying, because it is also sad. I'm too attached. Sniff.

- Why was there uncut corset-and-BJ porn on my flist? Not that I have anyone to hide what I am reading from (I don't think the cat cares), but I was trying to nibble on a cookie and it made it all wrong. LJ-cut is your friend, porn. Your very good and intimate friend.

- Doctor Who fandom, helpful facts to keep in mind when writing Norway in your D/R stuff: 1) We speak English here. Yes, Norwegian is the native language, but we all learn English in school, and while not all will be great at it, we're not Swedish Chef. Really. The only ones who might not speak English will be those born before WWII. Additionally, a lot of people will speak either German, French or Spanish. Rose will be able to communicate with Norwegians without amusing hand-gestures. 2) Norway is actually only a small country population-wise. Size-wise, we are as big as Germany and stretch out a lot more. Bergen is actually a fair distance from Oslo, okay? 3) I know it's alt-verse, but normal Norway does NOT have polar bears roaming freely on the mainland and a warmer alt-verse is unlikely to be different.

- Reading reviews for Dollhouse is kinda making me not want to watch it. I was never on the Joss fanboat anyway, so blah. Maybe it will improve and I'll watch it for Helo. If Fox cancels it within a few weeks, I am not even trying, though.

- How many reality shows are there out there? Best hairdresser? Cowboy-version of The Bachelor? Pussycat Dolls makes a all woman's group? The Apprentice, P. Diddy style? Seriously, haven't the genre just about died a painfully, prolonged death already? These sure feels like zombies.

I am writing on fanfic. As you do.

Adama/Roslin, post-No Exit:

Bill can't sleep.

Galactica groans and Laura breathes, and he lies embraced between them; Galactica against his back and Laura's back pressed against his chest. He's learned the movement of both now, how his ship will move in the illusion of being still, and how Laura will speed forward and still always seem to be at his side.

He's long since come to terms with the possessive thought that they are his – not that he owns them, but that they both have taken enough of his life that he can't think of another way to describe it.

They're both sick, and he is feeling it right along with them.

'Life's a Time Machine', 10.5/Rose:

It's the third day of the rest of the Doctor's life, and he is getting them lost in Norway.

It's a lot easier to get lost when people actually have a map, at least when you're used to going where the whims take you and the destination is always where you end up. No paths to take but the one made while walking.

It's especially easy when the map is all wrong, and the land seems to entertain its delusions by placing a mountain where he is damn sure there shouldn't be one.

(...)

"You're wrong. This is the time machine. The oldest kind."

"What do you mean?"

"The kind that takes you forward second by second."

'Humans Don't Dream of Gallifreyan Sheep', Doctor, Donna:

"You remember," he says, a statement and not a question. Yes. She remembers. Fire, ice and time, the stuff of the Universe. Her world, until he took it away.

"You're the Doctor," she says, and he bows his head slightly. "You're also a wanker."

His smile is as fast as it is sad, and she wishes she hadn't seen it.

"You've been here before," she says, her mind burning, every memory like an ember.

"Every time," he says, his voice eerily calm, his fingers already at her temples. "Every time you remember, I'm here."

There are these memories Donna Noble has.

They never seem to last.

I also just have a summary of a fic in my head - Bill is falling in love.Lee is trying to fall out of. - some sort of Adamas and love thing with Adama/Roslin and maybe some Kara/Lee for Saz. But I don't know yet.

What's up with you all?

Comments

[norwegianne.livejournal.com]

but normal Norway does NOT have polar bears roaming freely on the mainland and a warmer alt-verse is unlikely to be different.


You mean, when we told the teacher we had in France that there were polar bears running rampant in the streets of Norway, we were stretching the truth?

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Just a taaaaaaaaaaaad.

They walk about on Svalbard of course, but that's not exactly the mainland.

[gehayi.livejournal.com]

There really IS a place called Svalbard? Cool! I thought Pullman made it up!

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Oh, no.

Svalbard. It's very real, and officially a part of Norway.

[neadods.livejournal.com]

I will admit I was completely wrong about cot_tossed. The fact that it's a puppet journal and chose a particularly vicious Dorothy Parker review for both title and name certainly had all the earmarks of someone trying to stir the pot, but as the reviews go up they do seem to be even-handed, open about personal bias, and a mix of positive and negative.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

I think a lot of people just assume it's mean without actually looking at the reviews. While I don't agree with all of them - and haven't read even half the fic, so no opinion on a lot of it - they are presented pretty fairly and at least one of them pointed out a serious problem I had with a story and wondered if I was the only one. I think fandom sometimes think having critisism in itself is 'mean', which... Um, no.

Really, in fandom I think it's room for both ways of doing reviews, because people read fanfic for different reasons and in different ways. There ain't just one way of doing things.

[neadods.livejournal.com]

I think fandom sometimes think having critisism in itself is 'mean', which... Um, no.

No. Definitely not.

But at the same time, it feels like the fandom is killing time by dog-piling on itself rather than being constructive, so it's too easy to assume the worst. Especially as I remember the long-ago wank in Star Wars fandom when the anonymous reviewer was finally revealed.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Mmm. I think fandom is a bit bored with no new source material for a while. So posts that might otherwise get a bit overlooked gets a lot of attention.

Seen a lot worse, though. I guess after hanging out some at GAFF I have a fairly raised bar for what I will consider the worst.

[neadods.livejournal.com]

posts that might otherwise get a bit overlooked gets a lot of attention.

There may be a point to that. It's nowhere near the nasty that I've seen in other fandoms, but the pool is getting just yellow enough that I'd like to stop swimming for a bit.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

I'm too distracted by BSG to really notice, I think. Or I'm just good at ignoring some things. *shrugs*

Too bad there is no regular series this year. It'll be a long wait.

[neadods.livejournal.com]

I know about the long wait. On the other hand, it's making me think of other, more productive things to be doing.

[neadods.livejournal.com]

Bergen is actually a fair distance from Oslo, okay?

Distance is one of my perspectives that I find completely skewed from the European one.

The Doctor Donna story looks quite promising. I love the chill in the line "Every time you remember, I'm here."

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Heh. Europe's actually pretty large, all in all, but it can be hard to keep it all straight. But if you tilted Norway the other way, we'd reach all the way to Rome. Distance, is all I'm saying.

I was thinking about what would happen if Donna remembered, and if the Doctor would do the same again - which, given his desire to see her live, I thought he would. And then I just thought about what if it happened again and again, and that's really what the story is becoming about.

[neadods.livejournal.com]

Which makes for a fascinating but also creepy story - especially in light of my having just watched The Dollhouse, which is about wiping people's memories over and over.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yeah. It's definitely not some roses and rainbow story, but then, I thought what the show did was quite disturbing too.

[padawanpooh.livejournal.com]

Just watched BSG meself: major Basil Exposition but pretty darn amazing. They just expanded the narrative canvas by a factor of a hundred.

I MUST get to Norway: it's the only Scandinavian country I haven't visited.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, totally. I was half hoping for charts to explain it all, too. Loooot of backstory, and the implications for what's to come... Sheesh.

You should! I'd even give you a tour of Oslo and area. We got some pretty shiny places, and some of it is very different from the rest of Scandinavia.

[padawanpooh.livejournal.com]

*hugs* Thank you!!!! It won't be this year, but maybe 2010...

[oszras.livejournal.com]

Holy info-dump, I have to think about all that for a bit.

Right? I mean I've watched it three times and I'm still...just whoa.


They're both sick, and he is feeling it right along with them.

"It's in her bones, sir." Frakking killed me. I've always seen Galactica and Roslin as parallels of each other and that line just - it killed me.

He's losing them. God, Bill Adama is, he's just so tragic.

Also, I need to stop making up theories in my head for how the show will end without either dying, because it is also sad. I'm too attached. Sniff.

Me? I've been praying Laura was a cylon since S2. If she dies (which let's face it at this point Ron wants me to die of a broken heart) I want her to be able to resurrect, damn it! And I totaly don't even care if that makes her a Cylon. Frak, last weeks episode had the Cylons making her Queen anyway. :D

It sounds silly but I've been trying to prepare myself and I'm failing. Miserably. I'm way too attached as well.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it was a bit like suddenly getting a whole history lesson in an episode. I'm glad some people have broken it down and started making sense of it, because my brain was a bit overloaded.

Yes :( I have to wonder if this mirroring is interntional. It's definitely heartbreaking either way. Oh, Bill. I just want to hug him lots and lots.

See, I can live with the show saying she will die, just as long as I don't have to see it. Because I know EJO will kill me with his acting and wah. Or if they go together, I can sort of live with that. But yeah, trying to prepare is just hopeless. I don't have the will.

Really doubt we're getting more Cylons now, either way.

[falena]

What's up with you all?

Just got home, had a lovely Guinness and feel all mellow and stuff. :)

cot_reviews versuscot_tossed

Thanks to them I found a couple brilliant fics (one per review comm) that I'd missed before (DW fandom is just too big), so I say hurrah for both comms!

Bergen is actually a fair distance from Oslo, okay?

And there's lots of pretty scenery in between! :D

Reading reviews for Dollhouse is kinda making me not want to watch it.

I watched it and it was bland and inoffensive, despite the very controversial premises. I'm sticking around for a few more eps, though, as pilots are not the best thing to judge a series by, usually.

They had some nice shots of shirtless Helo Tahmoh, and I'm totally down for that!*g*

Me likey the Doctor/Donna fic too. And the BSG summary is intriguing. Pls to be adding some fleeting Agathons for me too. :P

[misscam.livejournal.com]

You're so generous ;)

And yes indeed, there is lots of pretty scenery. I remember you taking pictures of it. All of it :P

Really? Eh well, might check back to it in a few weeks. I'll need something when BSG ends. Wah.

You're so demanding.

[foreverrhapsody.livejournal.com]

Er, I've wandered in here from somewhere vaguely anonymous, and enjoy both Battlestar Galactica and Doctor Who (and if that doesn't give you a hint, I don't know what will). Mind if I friend you?

I wasn't going to say anything, except I also went looking for a ship_manifesto for Roslin/Adama a few weeks ago. I'd suggest waiting until the end to write it, if you did end up doing it. I would offer to help, but I'm horrible at writing anything vaguely resembling meta, and so therefore my bits would turn out to be "LOOK AT MY OTP AREN'T THEY THE BEST THING EVER OMGZZZ!!!"

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Heh, not at all. This is a fairly open sort of LJ anyway. Friend away :)

Well, you sign up to do it and get a later date when it has to be posted, so it wouldn't be something I'd do overnight anyway. Maybe if I wait a few weeks, I'd get a posting date past the finale and could include info from there. I'll see, maybe someone else decides to do it meanwhile. I'd be sad if they had none forever - their relationship really is something.

[lotus79.livejournal.com]

Sometimes, after having done modding over at T&C, I am so in the mindset of it I want to mod the rest of the Internets.

You are so drunk with power. :P

I think I remember you mentioning that summary. Wriiiite iiiiit. I comaaaaand youuuuu. :P

[misscam.livejournal.com]

You think you have power over me? Who is drunk now, huh?

I gotta write other fic first anyway, so there. :P

[jaded-chord.livejournal.com]

I definitely have to re-watch the last BSG ep a few more times just to process it all and get the fact straight. Typical BSG - we get answers, but only end up with more questions.

I know what you mean about getting too attached to a 'ship. The last one was Grissom/Sara, and they finally got their happy ending, but the Adama/Roslin stuff is going to be heartbreaking, I know it. *wibble*

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's a bit 'oh, so that's how that happened... Wait, what?' By the end of it, we might need explanations for the explanations.

Grissom and Sara sure did. That was heartening. But BSG is such a mean show I have serious fears. Forget happy ending, I'll settle for one that doesn't break my heart twice over and dances on the pieces.

[rivrea.livejournal.com]

Belated platonic Valentine's Day greetings from me!

[dune-drd.livejournal.com]

I've actually always thought Norway would be much, much bigger than Germany! What strange mistakes to make - I'd guess it has been done by an American? It's so sad to see what cliches some of them still have about Europe

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Norway's size can be slightly decieving since we stretch out so much, but the land is pretty narrow in places. So yeah, we're about the size of Germany.

I didn't look at the nationality of this fic-writer, but yeah, Americans often know a bit less about Europe, so it's not unlikely.

[laurandbillever.livejournal.com]

hehe- are you sure your cat doesn't want to watch porn? mine is really fond of all kinds of loud movies on my laptop.... (^_^)

loved the a/r fic.... so true.... :(

[misscam.livejournal.com]

My cat prefers just looking out the window to TV. Heh, he's weird.

Aw, thanks.

[laurandbillever.livejournal.com]

well, just be careful with the window- god knows when he will decide to jump for a bit exploration and then you will have one hell of a searching party... I'm saying this from experience- 3 hours shouting "lucky" was not how I intended to spend my Friday night last year....

[lyricalviolet.livejournal.com]

Both those fic previews are fabulous and I'd be happy to help you if you need a beta for either. Also? BSG? My mind, she is blown!

[misscam.livejournal.com]

I shall surely need one when I finish them - argh, real life and work keeping me busy. But I shall send them your way once it gets to that - thanks!

Yeah, that was a lot of stuff to think on from BSG this week. Eeep.