BSG finale, shipping and fics, with Creationists! In Norway! (Encore!)

[misscam]

I has finished first post-finale BSG fic. Bit more sap than I usually write, but what the frak. It's with beta and my mind is already pondering what to write next. I kinda promised lotus79 I would do one on Adamas and love with Adama/Roslin and at least some Kara/Lee, but not sure how I'd do that now, considering. Kara/Lee shippers seem quite depressed with their ending, which yeah, I can see. Laura might have died, but the relationship with Bill was clearly love all the way to the end and after. Kara and Lee's story became something that the shippers didn't much like - missed opportunities, obstacles and never just being right.

Maybe there's my story - the things love can't fix (though sometimes help). Cancer. Timing. Inner demons. A ship falling apart. The end of the world. The end of the line.

Or I could just write 'The Epic Adventures of Bill and Laura in the Afterlife (Porn Included)' and avoid any deep thoughts whatsoever. Thinking can be so overrated.

Speaking of not thinking: A tale of a creationist teacher in Norway and the Twitter-backlash that brought the story all the way to national and foreign media.

What seems to have happened is that one teacher who was in charge of the website for Moltemyr school here in Norway put an article on the school's website essentially denying Darwin's theory of evolution. Some Norwegians start Twittering about it (because truly, wtf?) and off it goes to all the major newspapers and even Pharyngula. It was even on the news I watched his evening. The principal has quickly gone out to deny this being the school's official view and had the article yanked and everyone is generally being all FAIL TEACHER FAIL WTF WERE YOU NOT-THINKING.

You see, Norway is a majorly secular country. True, we have a state church and a majority is still officially members, but we're mellow and often agnostic or atheist and consider faith a private matter. You don't go asking a stranger in Norway what they believe in - it's like asking them how their sex life is doing. (Americans, I know you mean no offense by it and it's different in your country, but really, tone yourself down a bit when you go here or Norwegians will stare at you as if you just grew two heads.) As a result, religion isn't much in politics either. Or in science.

Creationism in Norway is generally viewed as something really weird coming out of America, like pet marriages. There are some Norwegians that believe it, but I kid not when I say this is a tiny minority. So tiny coming across it has lead to much merriment in the past. A teacher putting it up seriously on a school website? Oh dear oh dear oh dear deary me oh. (What he puts up on a personal website, I could care less, though I might still laugh a bit.)

And that all this came to light through Twitter? Pretty amusing. Bet you wish that had never been created, teacher.

I offer the same caveat as last time I went on about this: I note here for the record that those who choose to believe God is behind evolution and whatever else - I don't share that belief, but I can at least see where it's coming from. Harcore creationists leave me with a sort of weird fascination and much merriment because wtf, truly.

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[bex245.livejournal.com]

I am seriously LOLing.

Also, you kind of just made me want to move to Norway. Weirdness. :P

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Haha. We're actually mostly fairly boring. Which is why stuff like this is news in Norway.

But feel free to pop by anyway ;)

[lily-winterwood.livejournal.com]

I'm all for fic#2. LOL.

Hm. Creationism has no real evidence, compared to Darwinism. :P I'm all for "God created common ancestors and left us to evolve". Or heck, even "God created ancestor who mated with BSG characters and thusly evolved". :P

[tzikeh.livejournal.com]

Love. Your. Icon.

Also: Love=your icon.

And: Love. Your icon.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I'm sure that fic would go down well ;)

Creationism isn't a scientific theory, so 'evidence' don't really apply. Sometimes, the mindset seems to be that disproving Darwin will prove creationism, which... Um, that's not how it works. Scientific theories gets tested all the time, that's the point. You can't test creationism, and as such it has fuck all to do in the science field.

See, I'm fine with any of those two and any variaiton on 'I believe God created/guided evolution' etc etc. Cool with me. Don't share it, but cool with me. But don't even try me with 'the Earth is 6000 years old and humans lived at the same time as dinosaurs'. NO. There's belief, and there's being batshit insane.

Spoilers in comment!

[tzikeh.livejournal.com]

Or I could just write 'The Epic Adventures of Bill and Laura in the Afterlife (Porn Included)' and avoid any deep thoughts whatsoever.

I say if Kara can come back from the dead, so can Laura. If the show is set on Head!Six being an angel/messenger/what-have-you, and she was physically real for Baltar, there's no reason Laura can't be the same for Bill. Fuck it; at this point he's ready to believe anything. Though it would be odd living in a cabin built next to your grave, but hey. Stranger things have happened. The cairn can be representative of them burying everything that has happened before. Now they get a whole new life together.

THAT'S MY STORY AND I'M STICKING TO IT.

(Not really; I'm completely fine with how the show ended, but fanfiction is forever.)

Re: Spoilers in comment!

[misscam.livejournal.com]

If it works for you, knock yourself out ;) I personally don't believe in an afterlife, but I've still sort of made it Canon for BSG in my head and there they'll live happily ever after.

That's my story and I'll probably write it (even more).

Re: Spoilers in comment!

[lily-winterwood.livejournal.com]

I believe in Head!Laura. x]

[babylon-whore.livejournal.com]

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORN

Porn is always the answer. Thats what I'm writing!

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Porn for world peace?

[trialia]

Or I could just write 'The Epic Adventures of Bill and Laura in the Afterlife (Porn Included)'
This? This would totally be a happy-making antidote to how much even the idea of their last few scenes make me cry (I was going to say 'made', but nope, I still find myself randomly bursting into tears at odd moments, love or not).

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Awww.

Well, I got some time off coming up with time to write, so never know. Sure others will be writing happy fics as a bit of an antidote as well.

[platypus]

Kara/Lee makes me sad. I was never a huge shipper, though 'let's suddenly marry other people, then angst for a season about possibly leaving them for each other' did seem pretty bizarre; if they'd wanted to be together to begin with nobody was stopping them. (And Lee, at least, seemed to love Kara. I'm not entirely sure exactly what she felt for him, but she did seem to be repeatedly drawn to him. I never understood what she saw in Sam.) But after they both lost everybody else and Bill flew off into the sunset, I was sort of expecting Lee and Kara to turn to each other and at least have some company to mountain-climb with. BUT NO. And if the flashback is just meant to say that they were never meant to be, grr. I liked them more than that.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

I thought what kept them apart wasn't so much other people as it was themselves. Kara was often the one to pull away (and first get married to someone else) but at the same time never quite far enough. Not sure that cycle was good for either, though they did both seem more at peace at Earth, so who knows what might have happened there if she hadn't vanished/ascended/whatever.

[oszras.livejournal.com]

Well, I love both fic ideas. :D

The afterlife stuff, Bill is a pretty big atheist. (i love that ron let him stay that way, all the way to the end, i always see shows where the atheist is changed for the better! and it makes me gag. i have no problem with religion or atheism, but i hate it when a atheist is converted, makes me feel like those people who are atheists are wrong, you know, they could be totally right. eh. sorry about the rant.)

Anyway Bill is a atheist and I wonder if that would be hard writing him believing in seeing her again (I mean I want him too because as far as I'm concerned they are frolicking in the fields of Elysium right now. I just wonder if it would difficult to write him in a way that keeps him in character but still believing he will see her again.). But then, I believe that there is one thing that believes in more than family it's Laura Roslin, plus if she says she's going to meet you on the other side? You damn well better believe that she wiil. :D

Either way, if you write it? I believe it and enjoy it.

I hope this didn't come across as me complaining about the fics that have him in the afterlife or the show itself. Because I really don't have a problem with it. I was just wondering if it was difficult from a writer's point of view.

[tzikeh.livejournal.com]

:D Hey - Bill knows that Kara was dead, and then alive again, so I'm sure he'd be fine with Laura alive again. There's nothing about Kara going to an afterlife in there. :D

Atheists for The Return of Laura Roslin unite!

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Well, Bill is indeed an atheist personally - but he's chosen to believe in Laura, and she's clearly a believer. So I can see him believe through her, if that makes any sense.

I hadn't actually thought too much about the issue you raised (too busy still being heartbroken about the ending, I suspect), but now you might have stirred some ideas. Hum.

(As an atheist myself, I know what you mean and yeah, I'm not happy about how some have protrayed atheists as in need of being 'saved'. Atheists are usually so out of choice, respect that, FFS.)

[falena]

I seriously think the solution is Head!Laura. Or Head!Kara. or Head![insert whatever BSG character].

At the moment I'm a bit burnt-out on BSG, though. I just can't read reactions or fixit fic; I can't even sift through caps to make icons. I haven't made peace with the idea of a closed canon.

Mah show, I miss you. Waaah.

[lotus79.livejournal.com]

Mah show, I miss you. Waaah.

I knoooooooow!

I can't look at caps or meta really. However, I am all over fixit fic and just fic in general - because it is what's reminding me it's not closed at all. We can do what we want with it - it belongs to us now. :)

[neadods.livejournal.com]

everyone is generally being all FAIL TEACHER FAIL WTF WERE YOU NOT-THINKING.

What a refreshingly sane way of viewing our wayward not-theory. So much better than some idiot discovering for the 4735982nd time that no, you cannot teach *your* beliefs to your students, especially if you're going to call them "science."

[misscam.livejournal.com]

We generally like to keep faith out various places - as I said, in Norway, it's a private thing. So things like this happening here is very, very rare and indeed newsworthy.

[hadria.livejournal.com]

Or I could just write 'The Epic Adventures of Bill and Laura in the Afterlife (Porn Included)' and avoid any deep thoughts whatsoever. Thinking can be so overrated.

It's embarrassing how desperately I need/want to read happy afterlife fic. I think I'm still in the bargaining/depression part of the stages of grief, lol. Which is kind of sad, since even Bill of all people managed to graduate to acceptance by the time Laura died. NEED HAPPY AFTERLIFE FIC.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

He finally walks over to where she is waiting, stopping just shy of touching her and watching her face instead. Laura. He hadn't forgotten her face (never could), but seeing it again is like all new.

"They had waited longer," she says as way of explanation, stepping up to him. The sunlight in her hair makes it warm as he touches it and he almost wants to bury his hands in it. She's well here. She's healthy. She's cancer-free. She's... Dead, and so is he, and he feels so alive with her here it almost hurts.

[jvgymnast.livejournal.com]

I'm sure you'd be absolutely amused by the debates we get in Kansas every few years. It's crazy, I tell you.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

I've seen them reported. I tend to be mostly baffled that there's even debates about it.

I do want to go to that crazyshit museum and report back to Norway about it. The LOL would be great.

[siraj.livejournal.com]

That IS fail-tastic!

... And if it helps any? the most religion you'd see out of me if/when I visited would be my Anubis and Ankh pendants. That's it. And perhaps an "Oh Anubis!" if I hear something particularly stupid.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Heh, no worries. It's totally fine to believe in something here. I'm just talking about the sort of 'have you accepted Jesus as your personal savior?' type of near-preaching.

[lotus79.livejournal.com]

My friend jakie_em just put up her Eurovision review of Norway. I thought you might want a peek. (Aren't you glad you weren't alive in 1976 to be embarassed by that one?)

but not sure how I'd do that now, considering

AU? *prods* Also, it appears we didn't make fandom_wank! Um, yay?

My favourite part about the creationist teacher is how he(?) seems to think the negative publicity is all a conspiracy perpetuated by "science forums in Trondheim or Oslo". Right. LOLWTF?

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Pfft, that's not even our worst Eurosong entry. We're infamous for our nil point record, yo. There's a wide selection of horrid to choose from.

But we did good last year and hopefully this year too. Go us.

I suck at AU :( But maybe I can take it through afterlife too. We'll see. Next week is looking good with less work, yay!

I KNOW. Conspiracy? In little Norway? AHAHAHA. Gold!

[laurandbillever.livejournal.com]

hey, if you want ideas for fics, I vote on something cheerful! really.... I know your style is not exactly cheerful, but still- the more happy fics, the better.... I am struggling with my own AU fic. I just know that I need to write a happy end no matter what...

[misscam.livejournal.com]

*patpat*

The one I did write has angsty bits, but ending is all happy, does that help? (Quite sappy for me, actually.) Just cheerful I'm not really good at, even my silly stuff tends to have some more serious moments. But I certainly like a bit of it in there.