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A few helpful things to keep in mind if you're bringing "freedom of speech" into an Internet discussion:

1) The world is not the US. The Internet is not the US. Thus, US laws may not always apply. Sure, many other countries have a defined 'freedom of speech' law, but not all and some do have exceptions in the form of laws against hate speech and such things. Don't treat US law as the default law of the world.

2) However, if you are going to bring up US law, know what US law actually says. The First Amendment says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Note the words Congress and government.

3) As mentioned above, freedom of speech as a law applies to the government. It says nothing about what livejournal communities or forums can't do. They can actually restrict speech within the community or forum as much as they merrily want.

4) Freedom of speech applies to everyone else too. If you have a right to say something asshole-ish, they have a right to call it asshole-ish.

5) Freedom of speech is not freedom from the consequences of what you're saying. If you say what people perceive to be stupid shit, they will act accordingly. (See point 4 for possible reactions.) Freedom of speech is not freedom from social cencure.

6) Freedom of speech is a right, not a compulsion upon you. Just because you can say something, doesn't mean you always should.

7) In many countries, people dare not speak their mind for fear of what might happen to them, and those who do dare, might be jailed or worse by their own government. That someone called you an ass online for saying something stupid is not at all in the same league.

8) Not everyone agrees freedom of speech trumphs all other concerns. That does not actually make them Nazis. No, really.

/vaguely annoyed Cam

Meanwhile, football season has started again in Norway (huzzah!), snow is melting and I made another WoW vid (Rotface ooze kiting this time). And some asshole called me last night insiting I should shag him while he was visiting Norway and he 'knew I wanted to'. Um, yeah. I don't even know who he was. Not exactly what I consider fun on a Saturday.

How's you?

Date: 2010-03-14 07:13 pm (UTC)
violetisblue: (Doctor Who...the Hell Cares)
From: [personal profile] violetisblue
Regarding #2 that was a classic trick they would pull on us in law school exams, presenting a situation that would have been a classic First Amendment violation if it weren't being done by a private actor. As a result in some of these Internet discussions I keep wanting to grab people and shout, "State action doctrine!"
Edited Date: 2010-03-14 07:14 pm (UTC)

Date: 2010-03-14 08:00 pm (UTC)
falena: Picture of a girl hiding behind a camera, reflected in a mirror. (too manly)
From: [personal profile] falena
Re: freedom of speech.
Some people should get #5 tattooed on their forehead. Seriously.

Oh, yes spring = Norway football, the difference in our fooball calendars always takes me by surprise for a second. The world is not Italy, imagine that. ;) But anyway, yay I foresee a lot of fun Sunday afternoons for you.

I spent the better part of the day cursing Ikea and Sweden (which I'm sure you'd approve of) especially when a heavy-as-hell, wardrobe glass door slipped from my hands and got cracked. Heh. That mishap aside, I'm quite happy with the results. My bedroom is almost done. I just need a bed. :P


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