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Sep. 23rd, 2004 08:42 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
misscamRemember the hacking allegations made over the MithrilAwards row? I'm sure some of you do.
HASA strikes hack - with a hacking challenge
A summary and rebuttal, again from HASA
Hmmm, says Cam. Decidedly hmmm. I'm not even sure what to think here myself - and I know some of these people, which complicates matters. But geez, is this row ever getting out of hand. I'd almost suggest getting peace negotiaters in there. Sometimes I think fandoms need a fandom ombudsman.
On the subject on lying or not lying and not this case in particular - is it just me who is getting a bit tired of various Net "frauds"? I'm still busy holding grudges over older ones if I weren't to get new ones too. Is it so sodding hard to be truthful on the Net or is the thought that one might get away with it like an irristitable urge to lie? I'm not talking little white lies here, I'm talking the huge black-as-Ungoliant lies. Is it all about attention and pity and things you can't buy for money? Or is it some deeper human urge at play here and if so, could any just fall prey to it? Troubling thought.
I went out and read some stuff on it (unsurprising, given my desire-for-knowledge nature) and I found this summary in an article about compulsive lying:
There are a number of reasons that people lie. The first is fear. This is the most common reason that people may lie, and they are taking shelter from a perceived punishment. It may be because they know they have done something wrong a single time, in which case it is not compulsive lying. But if they are always in fear of being punished, it may become a habit, which is a second reason for lying. In this case, it may become compulsive lying, which is lying by reflex. Even when confronted by the truth, they insist the lie is the truth in this case. A third case is learning to lie through modeling. When a people see others lie, especially when they get away with it, they may become more prone to lying. Finally, people lie because they feel if they tell the truth they won't get what they want.
Now the latter is I guess why most people lie on the Net. Which I guess makes the next obvious question what they want. Pity? Attention? Revenge? Because the Net is a world of words, is lying thus the way to mould it to one's liking? If you want something so very badly, does lying suddenly seem defendable?
This is not true only of the Net, of course. How many world leaders have lied over the years to get what they want? Too many to count, I'm sure.
Honesty is such a frail word in the company of human determination, isn't it?
Oh, and very nice and helpful link listing various resources for Forensic Psychology
ETA: Paid account! Whee! Now if I could only figure out how to create my own style...
HASA strikes hack - with a hacking challenge
A summary and rebuttal, again from HASA
Hmmm, says Cam. Decidedly hmmm. I'm not even sure what to think here myself - and I know some of these people, which complicates matters. But geez, is this row ever getting out of hand. I'd almost suggest getting peace negotiaters in there. Sometimes I think fandoms need a fandom ombudsman.
On the subject on lying or not lying and not this case in particular - is it just me who is getting a bit tired of various Net "frauds"? I'm still busy holding grudges over older ones if I weren't to get new ones too. Is it so sodding hard to be truthful on the Net or is the thought that one might get away with it like an irristitable urge to lie? I'm not talking little white lies here, I'm talking the huge black-as-Ungoliant lies. Is it all about attention and pity and things you can't buy for money? Or is it some deeper human urge at play here and if so, could any just fall prey to it? Troubling thought.
I went out and read some stuff on it (unsurprising, given my desire-for-knowledge nature) and I found this summary in an article about compulsive lying:
There are a number of reasons that people lie. The first is fear. This is the most common reason that people may lie, and they are taking shelter from a perceived punishment. It may be because they know they have done something wrong a single time, in which case it is not compulsive lying. But if they are always in fear of being punished, it may become a habit, which is a second reason for lying. In this case, it may become compulsive lying, which is lying by reflex. Even when confronted by the truth, they insist the lie is the truth in this case. A third case is learning to lie through modeling. When a people see others lie, especially when they get away with it, they may become more prone to lying. Finally, people lie because they feel if they tell the truth they won't get what they want.
Now the latter is I guess why most people lie on the Net. Which I guess makes the next obvious question what they want. Pity? Attention? Revenge? Because the Net is a world of words, is lying thus the way to mould it to one's liking? If you want something so very badly, does lying suddenly seem defendable?
This is not true only of the Net, of course. How many world leaders have lied over the years to get what they want? Too many to count, I'm sure.
Honesty is such a frail word in the company of human determination, isn't it?
Oh, and very nice and helpful link listing various resources for Forensic Psychology
ETA: Paid account! Whee! Now if I could only figure out how to create my own style...
