Rant O'Writing and Two Memes
Mar. 4th, 2005 11:28 amYou know the quality of fanfic is rather bad when you're happy to read a rather mediocre one and even encourages the writer somewhat. Sigh. Or maybe my standards are too high. Of course, I used to write crap too, with multiple exclamation marks and all. Shudder. At least I have improved - or so I like to think. It's funny how much writing can reflect who you are and how you grow. I read my old stuff and get a sense of how I was when younger (a whiny brat, yes). I read my own stuff now and look into my own mind. I can sometimes be a stranger to myself. Funny that.
But to get back to fanfics - the thing about mediocre fanfic is that you read it and hope for improvement (whereas badfic you read to see how bad it gets), almost willing the author to improve. At least I do. I feel like I'm cheerleading from the sides, so happy it's not awful, given how much crap I read. (But one's mediocre fic is another's horrid GAFF sometimes, of course.) And mediocre fics are easier to review for me than the brilliant ones - with mediocre I can pick on the areas that need improvement as well as what I liked, but with brilliant stories I feel like a praising idiot. (It's my Norwegian aversion to give compliments, I think. I mean, in Norway, "not bad" can be considered a fairly good compliment. We're such an odd people sometimes.)
But then, we all use reviews for different things, don't we? Sometimes, it seems some just use them to comment on the stories, some just use it to say "I'm here", some to get their own reviews and some seem to manage to use reviews to say nothing at all. I'm always grateful for reviews, yes, but sometimes I do want to hold up a blinking neon sign with "AND YOUR POINT WAS?" It's spam in review form. And Cam does not much care for spam.
Maybe that's why fanfic writers can be such a wanky bunch sometimes and fandom is such a minefield. We all bring such different ideas of what it should be, what reviews should be and what standards it should be held to with us that it is walking on slippery ice. Sooner or later you slip. I guess learning to laugh at yourself when you're on your ass is the way to keep sane in it all.
And now, for your laughing pleasure, Thug!Cam. Check our my patriotic hat (gift from
lotus79 - pic was taken in Brisbane by her almost two years ago) and general air of wanting to stomp on Gits. I swear it should come with "I Thug for my Fandom".
One meme 'o writing and one o'icons.
1. Comment and I'll pick one or two of your lj interests and write you a drabble.
2. You have no say as to what I write for you or as to how much it will suck.
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I love looking at people's icons, but I don't always *get* them - I often wonder stuff like, "Who's that guy?" or "Where's that quote from?" but I tend not to ask, for various reasons. So come on, here are my icons. Pick one (or more!) you're curious about, and I'll try to explain it. Or at least explain what I like about it.
But to get back to fanfics - the thing about mediocre fanfic is that you read it and hope for improvement (whereas badfic you read to see how bad it gets), almost willing the author to improve. At least I do. I feel like I'm cheerleading from the sides, so happy it's not awful, given how much crap I read. (But one's mediocre fic is another's horrid GAFF sometimes, of course.) And mediocre fics are easier to review for me than the brilliant ones - with mediocre I can pick on the areas that need improvement as well as what I liked, but with brilliant stories I feel like a praising idiot. (It's my Norwegian aversion to give compliments, I think. I mean, in Norway, "not bad" can be considered a fairly good compliment. We're such an odd people sometimes.)
But then, we all use reviews for different things, don't we? Sometimes, it seems some just use them to comment on the stories, some just use it to say "I'm here", some to get their own reviews and some seem to manage to use reviews to say nothing at all. I'm always grateful for reviews, yes, but sometimes I do want to hold up a blinking neon sign with "AND YOUR POINT WAS?" It's spam in review form. And Cam does not much care for spam.
Maybe that's why fanfic writers can be such a wanky bunch sometimes and fandom is such a minefield. We all bring such different ideas of what it should be, what reviews should be and what standards it should be held to with us that it is walking on slippery ice. Sooner or later you slip. I guess learning to laugh at yourself when you're on your ass is the way to keep sane in it all.
And now, for your laughing pleasure, Thug!Cam. Check our my patriotic hat (gift from
One meme 'o writing and one o'icons.
1. Comment and I'll pick one or two of your lj interests and write you a drabble.
2. You have no say as to what I write for you or as to how much it will suck.
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I love looking at people's icons, but I don't always *get* them - I often wonder stuff like, "Who's that guy?" or "Where's that quote from?" but I tend not to ask, for various reasons. So come on, here are my icons. Pick one (or more!) you're curious about, and I'll try to explain it. Or at least explain what I like about it.
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Date: 2005-03-04 02:39 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-04 03:06 am (UTC)She will have to leave in the morning and leave it to never have been. But for now, she kisses his hair lightly and let him embrace her, living in the past and the dawn.
(Not my pairing, but I wanted to see if I could write it.)
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Date: 2005-03-04 03:06 am (UTC)86 words
Date: 2005-03-04 03:20 am (UTC)Clear. No bubbles. Still waiting, feeling the steam like a tease brushing the skin. The cup is awaiting, waiting to do its duty as so many mornings before. The choice this morning is blueberry. And just as you begin to think someone has changed the rules of reality and the temperature for water boiling, the bubbles come. Still you wait. The bubbles grow, the steam engulfs you – and then you pour. And now it is morning, tea in your hand and the world at your fingertips.
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Date: 2005-03-04 03:11 am (UTC)Thankfully, most of my early work was just interminable chronicles of the lives of wild animals, handwritten on notebook paper. If you'd suggested that maybe I should write about getting married to celebrities, or even rock stars, I'd have stared at you as if you'd grown a second head, and answered something like "I don't write about people!" Plus, there was no Net back then, so I couldn't share anything with anybody other than my stepparents and my immediate circle of friends. It took a long, long time for me to get a handle on anything like plot, or avoiding cliches.
Maybe that's why fanfic writers can be such a wanky bunch sometimes and fandom is such a minefield. We all bring such different ideas of what it should be, what reviews should be and what standards it should be held to with us that it is walking on slippery ice.
I think that's a MAJOR part of it. Many teenage (and sometimes older!) writers approach fanfic with the notion that it's like some vast support and self-esteem-building group, in which writing anything gets you lavish praise for "just trying" -- and they react with fury when other people don't play along with that. With others, it seems to be a form of socializing with other teenagers, by sharing their Mary-Sue and trading positive reviews in AOL message-speak. With still others, it seems to be a form of wish-fulfillment (again those MS's, and also the fics where something tragic doesn't happen or is resolved happily in the end), and it just doesn't seem to occur to them until they get the first bad review that other people who aren't close friends might actually see these private fantasies displayed in public, and not like them the way the author does.
With the writers in the PPC world, it's a form of revenge on writers on crappy fanfic.
And with a few, it's a form of tribute to the canon, or a desire to explore that canon's world, or even genuine art that's worth striving for excellence in. Obviously, I think I'm in these categories, and so are most of the writers whose work I admire. This probably explains why we don't respond nearly so badly to criticism.
You do look like Thug!Cam in that photo. :-)
1. Comment and I'll pick one or two of your lj interests and write you a drabble.
Gimme a drabble or two. Please? *puppy-dog eyes*
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Date: 2005-03-04 03:42 am (UTC)Yeah, you're probably right about the different responses to critisism depending on your approach to fanfic, but I do think some people can be in more than one category. Humans are rarely just one thing.
And now, a crappy attempt at darkfic...
He clings to his memories at first, remembering the light of the trees as each lash of the whip leaves him burning. His blood seems a liquid flame and he wonders why he is not ashes in the wind yet. He cannot feel his restraints anymore, but it does not matter. He is bound by pain, by loss, by will. Lashes becomes cuts becomes darkness in his mind and he clings to the memories of the memories. He was an Elf. He was. He must remember. But the darkness laughs in his mind and is pain and the pain is. He is... He is...
Becoming. Born.
Orc.
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Date: 2005-03-04 03:30 am (UTC)*cough* drabble plzkthxbai
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Date: 2005-03-04 03:52 am (UTC)The beauty silences him, quiets his mind. For once, his blood does not scream. For once, the urge is gone. There is just him and the death, so very beautiful. Others scream at blood, but he treasures it. He cannot understand that others cannot see the grace in a clean cut, the loveliness in fear as life drips away, blood drop by blood drop. And the power, lifting him high above all. He hears the screams of conscience in his mind no longer, if he ever has. He kills. There is no greater power he can imagine, for it is all he has ever known.
But all too soon beauty fades and the urge sings like a wire in his blood.
There is never enough blood.
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Date: 2005-03-04 03:54 am (UTC)93 words
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Date: 2005-03-04 04:33 am (UTC)They sit in the sun and talk until they run out of words comfortable to speak. And they do it again the next week and the next and the next, until all uncomfortable words are said too and the shadows seem less.
Only then does he kiss her and she kisses him and the sun is bright, bright, bright in the blue and empty sky.
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Date: 2005-03-04 04:46 am (UTC)Several of your icons seem to have the same cartoon woman in them (Evil Brunettes, Hope...). What's the story?
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Date: 2005-03-04 04:49 am (UTC)That's Nemi, the main character in Norwegian comic strip about a snarky goth-bitch who drools over Elves on ocassion. I love her. (The hope one is from after the tsunami, where Norway also lost people.)
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Date: 2005-03-04 05:18 am (UTC)If I wrote fanfiction, I think I would fit quite nicely in the 'medicore' fan fiction- category. (But that's just my ego talking. :P )
Oh joy, meme's!
1. Yay yay, drabble time again!
2. "Legolasoath" - What oath? If this is canon then I've must've missed it. Unless it's the "...and my bow"-thing from the Council of Elrond.
"Rimmeroiled" O.o ?
"OBthumb" - Where did this come from? :D
"Asatru4" and "Asatru1" - Asatru? What, pray tell, is that?
And we have that "not bad" thing here in Finland, too. :)
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Date: 2005-03-04 05:25 am (UTC)"Legolasoath" is the keyword because the icon is from the scene where they talk about the Dead and the oath they broke to Isildur, making them damned.
"Rimmeroiled" - well, it's Rimmer. Being oiled up by two women.
"Obthumb" - just a pic of Orlando I found cute and added my own invented text to.
Asatru is the modern name for the faith of the Vikings. Odin, Thor and associated company. New Asatru is my new version of it.
I expect Finland does. You're just as peculiar as us, if not more so.
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Date: 2005-03-04 05:22 am (UTC)The ones that I started early in the fanfiction writing career, but didn't complete back then, will likely never be completed because I shudder when I read them. (Especially one called Princess of Slytherin, where Harry's long lost twin sister, who had been living with their Evans grandparents on the Côte D'Azur, came to Hogwarts... In my defense, it wasn't my idea originally... But I also have one with a prophecy... that's less than good.)
And, really, when it comes from someone Norwegian, not bad... that's a major compliment.
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Date: 2005-03-04 05:32 am (UTC)It is indeed. I've met people who think "not bad" is my way of avoiding telling them it sucked. Ah, culture differences...
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Date: 2005-03-04 05:25 am (UTC)117 words
Date: 2005-03-04 05:46 am (UTC)His life seems to fall past him. His mother's embrace, warm and safe. Growing up, learning hatred. Hogwarts, unlearning hatred. And James and Remus and even Peter, all of them happy in the arrogance and innocence of youth. Darkness falling. The fight. The betrayal. The madness. And Harry, carrying the face of James and suddenly it felt almost like youth again. Boredom. Uselessness. And fight, fight and pain and falling.
The life slides away and he remembers no more. But the light is all around him and it's his mother's embrace again and it is bright, bright, bright, like a star...
And he is home.
(I admit, your defulat icon inspired me. Also, Thug!Cam feels the love.)
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Date: 2005-03-04 05:43 am (UTC)And a drabble based on my interests would be nice...
*reads more mediocre fic and fires up MSN*
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Date: 2005-03-04 06:05 am (UTC)She has not been by in years and the surroundings feel almost unfamiliar, the walls a different shade from last. All changes. Yet he remains frozen, a sleep of winter. She knows they tell her he is dead, but somewhere in her heart she has refused to accept it. She thinks he would approve. He was always stubborn with her. She can only return the favour.
The plaque is cool under her hands as she traces his name. Marcus Cole. She lives now because he sleeps and sometimes she hates him for it. Sometimes she thinks she could love him. Sometimes...
“Good night, Marcus,” she whispers and leaves, her fingerprints fading slowly.
Sometimes, she thinks all life a prelude to dream and she will join him sleeping soon enough.
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Date: 2005-03-04 05:52 am (UTC)And, oo! Interest!drabble! *bounces* Yes please!
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Date: 2005-03-04 06:32 am (UTC)Tromsøværing is what you call someone from Tromsø, the town I spent much of my childhood in. And Tromsø is what you see on the icon, the twinkling lights under the Northern Lights.
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Date: 2005-03-04 06:00 am (UTC)(And a drabblefic? Yes, please, if you've got the time!)
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Date: 2005-03-04 06:46 am (UTC)The Fifth Elephant did indeed make a sound as it came crashing down on the world of the Disc. It was a semi-whimper, half a groan, a little yelp and a mini enraged hoom. It had not expected to fall. It had in truth expected to stand on the turtle until lunch, then perhaps have a little lie-down. The ground had looked soft when it had considered that. Now it looked hard. And near. And...
Ow.
His fall went unseen but for one, who saw all in his empty sockets and worried. How did you usher a giant elephant into the afterlife?
PEANUTS?
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Date: 2005-03-04 06:18 am (UTC)101 words
Date: 2005-03-04 07:00 am (UTC)And with one last touch, she opens the book and leave her mind to words.
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Date: 2005-03-04 06:44 am (UTC)User pictures, hmm . . . how about that Astaru 4th principle one?
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Date: 2005-03-04 07:04 am (UTC)Right, the Asatru. As said above, Asatru is the modern name for the faith of the Vikings. Odin, Thor and associated company. New Asatru is my new version of it. It has ten ogle principles, the 4th being what's on the icon. So there.
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Date: 2005-03-04 07:58 am (UTC)Ah yes, mediocre fics. I beta from time to time, and just getting rid of the grammatical mistakes is already time-consuming.
Can you believe I once worked on an HP fic who had already been through one beta-reader, and where all the "as" were written "has"? Like "Has Harry walked into the room, he tripped on Crookshanks blah blah blah"? O_o
It's a sad day for America when a French chick can spell better than two American adult women.
So, a drabble? I'm curious to see what you'll pick.
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Date: 2005-03-04 09:35 am (UTC)And yeah, I can believe that. I've found stories by adults where my grammar is better than the author's, who is a native English speaker. Good grief.
Words can be art, sentences paitings. And like with all art, less can be more. A masterpiece is often wordy, but only a true artist can also say very much with very little. A few words can make a world, set a scene, capture characters, make the perfect simile. A few words can make the point, be the point, leave the point to the reader itself to see. A few words can be all the greater for all the words not used. And sometimes, 100 words are all you need.
A little drabble and suddenly, words are more than letters.
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Date: 2005-03-04 09:53 am (UTC)I can't imagine how much bad fanfic you have to wade through to find the good or even mediocre stuff in the HP or LOTR fandoms, but I think a meaty review for a good fic is possible. I personally like to isolate the things I really enjoyed in the fic and mention them along with my generic fangirl squeeing and slobbering all over the writer. I like to think of it as positive reinforcement for writers I enjoy- I operate for purely selfish reasons, of course.
The only time I refuse to review a fic is for someone who says "if I don't get any reviews for this I'm not writing anymore! (insert childish foot stomp here)" Are they kidding? Just no. Nope. Not going to happen.
And Thug!Cam is stangely endearing, not unlike XZibit of 'Pimp My Ride' fame.
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Date: 2005-03-04 10:03 am (UTC)Oh, a meaty review for a good fic is quite possible. I've seen many examples of it. But I still have troubles writing them because I'm a weird little Norwegian.
Being hold hostage for reviews annoy me to no end as well. Reviews are not a human right, for smeg's sake.
:)
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Date: 2005-03-04 09:57 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2005-03-04 10:03 am (UTC)Also, icon! Hee.
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Date: 2005-03-04 11:38 am (UTC)Anyway, I'll have a drabble if you find something in my list that inspires you. I'll even write you one back, if you want.
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Date: 2005-03-04 11:44 pm (UTC)She stalks the forests quietly, a grey shade in the twilight. The trees are dark and their shadows fall before her, a pattern of dark and light on the snow. She is silent, even if she fears not the shadows. Life kills the unaware and she intends to live to see her pups grown.
Shades appear ahead of her, beside her and the deer sense the danger all too late. The pack is upon it and death is swift in the winter.
And the puppies will be fed tonight too and she is pleased. Life for life and deer for wolves in the falling night of Norway, the same dance as for thousands of years. And the Earth spins on, dancing with the sun the oldest dance of all.
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Date: 2005-03-04 11:41 am (UTC)no subject
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Date: 2005-03-04 12:42 pm (UTC)Meme # 2: Asatru1. What's up with that? It must be from a fandom I'm not in, or something.
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Date: 2005-03-05 12:00 am (UTC)And then it passes with the wind and the turn of the Earth and only the faint shimmer of rain tells it has been. And all too soon the water fades and only memory linger.
Asatru is the modern name for the faith of the Vikings. Odin, Thor and associated company. New Asatru is my new version of it. The pic if from Pirates of the Caribbean.
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Date: 2005-03-04 02:33 pm (UTC)(It's my Norwegian aversion to give compliments, I think. I mean, in Norway, "not bad" can be considered a fairly good compliment. We're such an odd people sometimes.)
So does this mean that if a Norwegian says you're "not unattractive" it means "I think you're pretty"? ;P
As I love your drabbles, I shall request one.
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Date: 2005-03-05 12:11 am (UTC)He bathes in blood and dances in skin, cladding himself in death. He knows what they call him. He knows what they fear. He is fear, he is death by pain. He kills human as flies and they mean even less to him. What matters if the power, being God in death.
But death awaits for him too. For all he has killed, he cannot escape twilight himself. Still, he is forever as the name lingers on, becoming history, legend, myth, fiction. And his shadow bathes on, always in blood. Always in fear.
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Date: 2005-03-05 01:50 am (UTC)105 words
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Date: 2005-03-05 03:56 pm (UTC)Meme #2: From which show is the character Delenn in some of your icons? (I know that I've heard the name before, but I don't really know where it belongs.) And what are the other eight New Asatru principles, which are not on any icon of yours? :)
And am I too late for the party, or may I still request a drabble for meme #1?
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Date: 2005-03-06 05:39 am (UTC)Delenn is from Babylon 5, a sci-fi show of pure genius. Cam still misses it. As for the other eight principles - they shall all be revealed when I take over the world.
And sicne you're late, you get a drabble I once wrote. So there.
The stars shone bright this night, hushing the world around. The moon basked all in silver, and shadows fell. Shadows that seemed to reach out and clutch his heart.
Elrond Peredhil, Lord of Rivendell, was riding to the Havens. At last the time had come to leave Middle-earth and cross the sea. The stars would be the same to gaze upon in Valinor, yet not. For Valinor had its own light.
Never again would starlight seem this precious. Never again would he see the Evening Star.
But across the sea waited another star, and he would have to tell her their daughter would not come.
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