On the Sueness of OFUM and randomness
Mar. 9th, 2003 06:04 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
misscamOkay, so OFUM got a review saying thusly:
if you don't like mary sue or OOC, why do you write it? practice what you preach
I then had the following conversation
psychicsaphie: How the hell is it a Mary Sue?
psychicsaphie: Or OOC?
psychicsaphie: The characters are acting like themselve, just in a different setting and situation.
El Camita: I don't know. Well, the OOC part... Elves don't normally dress up in Black Leather...
psychicsaphie: And your characters are FAR from perfect.
psychicsaphie: They do at OFUM.
El Camita: I think it [the Sue remark, ed.] was referring to Miss Cam
psychicsaphie: The situation calls for it, I think.
psychicsaphie: {giggles}
El Camita: yeah, right
El Camita: it's not just an excuse to oogle some Elven ass
psychicsaphie: No offense Miss Cam, but Miss Cam is far from perfect. You can't be perfect when you're evil.
psychicsaphie: That's what makes Miss Cam so great.
psychicsaphie: Because it's Miss Cam.
El Camita: lol. So basically Miss Cam is not a Sue because she is Miss Cam.
psychicsaphie: Exactly!
The great thing about circular logic - hard to argue with. Of course, if the reviewer had been signed in or left an e-mail addy, I would love to have a discussion about it and perhaps improve on whatever was wrong (if I saw the logic in the argument of course, I can't follow every wish or comment I get on OFUM - some of it conflicting to start with). But no. Just an anon review, hence I can either just leave it there (it'll probably be drowned out) or remove it (I'd do it if that lead to the person actually signing it or adding to it). Oh well. It still beats a 'ur so great!' review. At least it was spelled correctly (but a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence is your friend). Whee!
In LQ news, go read here - On plagiarism. Ah, LQ, enimga wrapped in a thesarus ribboned with illogic and mangled English that you are. And the PPC board has a flamer - Wash your mouth. Tsk. Not even creative insults.
Meanwhile, I have reread Good Omens three times in a week. I love that book. Pratchett, I thee worship. And Douglas Adams, R.I.P. I nearly wept when I heard he was dead - and Astrid Lindgren, whose books I grew up on and will always remind me of innocence (though her books were often serious) and hope.
Hey! Daylight... Better go to bed... (Naughty Cam. Naughty, naughty)
if you don't like mary sue or OOC, why do you write it? practice what you preach
I then had the following conversation
psychicsaphie: How the hell is it a Mary Sue?
psychicsaphie: Or OOC?
psychicsaphie: The characters are acting like themselve, just in a different setting and situation.
El Camita: I don't know. Well, the OOC part... Elves don't normally dress up in Black Leather...
psychicsaphie: And your characters are FAR from perfect.
psychicsaphie: They do at OFUM.
El Camita: I think it [the Sue remark, ed.] was referring to Miss Cam
psychicsaphie: The situation calls for it, I think.
psychicsaphie: {giggles}
El Camita: yeah, right
El Camita: it's not just an excuse to oogle some Elven ass
psychicsaphie: No offense Miss Cam, but Miss Cam is far from perfect. You can't be perfect when you're evil.
psychicsaphie: That's what makes Miss Cam so great.
psychicsaphie: Because it's Miss Cam.
El Camita: lol. So basically Miss Cam is not a Sue because she is Miss Cam.
psychicsaphie: Exactly!
The great thing about circular logic - hard to argue with. Of course, if the reviewer had been signed in or left an e-mail addy, I would love to have a discussion about it and perhaps improve on whatever was wrong (if I saw the logic in the argument of course, I can't follow every wish or comment I get on OFUM - some of it conflicting to start with). But no. Just an anon review, hence I can either just leave it there (it'll probably be drowned out) or remove it (I'd do it if that lead to the person actually signing it or adding to it). Oh well. It still beats a 'ur so great!' review. At least it was spelled correctly (but a capital letter at the beginning of a sentence is your friend). Whee!
In LQ news, go read here - On plagiarism. Ah, LQ, enimga wrapped in a thesarus ribboned with illogic and mangled English that you are. And the PPC board has a flamer - Wash your mouth. Tsk. Not even creative insults.
Meanwhile, I have reread Good Omens three times in a week. I love that book. Pratchett, I thee worship. And Douglas Adams, R.I.P. I nearly wept when I heard he was dead - and Astrid Lindgren, whose books I grew up on and will always remind me of innocence (though her books were often serious) and hope.
Hey! Daylight... Better go to bed... (Naughty Cam. Naughty, naughty)
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Date: 2003-03-08 12:08 pm (UTC)I am OOC.
Everything is OOC.
Aragorn son of Arathorn from The Two Towers is OOC.
Out Of Custard? Shaaaame... :rolls eyes:
LOL!
Date: 2003-03-08 12:18 pm (UTC)LOL! So true! Although strangely enough, I like OOC-Movie-Aragorn (a.k.a. Viggogorn) better than book-Aragorn.
Anyway, I wouldn't say the canonicals are OOC. They are simply put in a brand new situation, and I think they're reacting logically to this new world.
As I said on AIM, I think the reviewer is merely confusing self-insert with Mary-Sue. Not all self-inserts are Mary-Sues.
~Aralanthiriel
Re: LOL!
Date: 2003-03-08 12:20 pm (UTC)*Sighs dramatically* Darnit...!
Re: LOL!
Date: 2003-03-08 12:24 pm (UTC)Re: LOL!
Date: 2003-03-08 12:27 pm (UTC)Dirty Ranger in soft focus.
You have made my day.
>:D
Re: LOL!
Date: 2003-03-08 05:36 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-03-10 03:59 pm (UTC)anyways, i shall now proceed to harass you. harass. harass.
*sigh* i found myself doodling about elves in black leather in science class. was asked what the hell i was drawing. i started talking about urple and OFUM. was stared at. in math class ezekial and viklas started talking about the holy chimpilla. i talked about my urple and black cat suit.
*sigh* you see my sad attempts to humour you? 'tis very sad. was not accepted into OFUM. was not found suitable enough. though you did respond to my bad poem for the witch wall *sigh* will now proceed to mope about. *mope*
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Date: 2003-03-10 10:42 pm (UTC)Elves in Black Leather are quite droolalicious.
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Date: 2003-03-11 05:07 pm (UTC)Shoulda probably posted this before, but . . .
Date: 2003-03-10 05:49 pm (UTC)A Mary Sue story is, by definition, all about the Mary Sue. Everybody else gets reduced to the status of a bit player.
And yes, LQ is really an amazing piece of work. "Amazing" in all the wrong ways.
Re: Shoulda probably posted this before, but . . .
Date: 2003-03-10 10:46 pm (UTC)Heh. The legend of LQ sure gets around. I can't believe I once beta'ed for that chick - which reminds me - SAZ! You owe me a story, remember?