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Porn against character bashing!

Or some such. Character bashing makes Cam sad. And by that I don't mean character dislike, which is a different matter. You like what you like and dislike what you dislike, and indeed feel indifference often as well. Fair enough. But when dislike turns to vicious hatred and spending fanfic after fanfic (or other written media) subjecting the object of your dislike to humiliation and degration, maybe it's time to have a drink and get some sanity.

(Also, how you feel about the character, not how the other characters feel or other fans. It's not that hard to get, now is it? You might hate Sara/Catherine/Rose/Reinette/Meredith/Addison/Arwen etc, but that doesn't mean they're not liked at all by anybody ever. And it is possible to like a character and not want to her him/her. Similarly, it is possible to dislike someone without being OMG!jealous. Also, why are we hating on women so? Not pretty.)

Richard Hammond has asked charity be given instead of flowers and people seem to follow this. Aww. Sometimes, people are awesome.

Sometimes, people are not.

Terror suspects held in Norway. I read and boggle and shake my head. I mean, the American embassy is ugly as fuck, but it's moving soon enough, so fight back that irrational urge to flatten the eyesore.

I joke, of course. Because the thought of anyone planning terrorist attacks in Norway is surreal as fuck and I'm not sure how to react. (I'm almost inclined to believe the "loose talk" too. Odin knows I say I lot of shit that would qualify as "loose talk".) I mean, this is Norway. Decades pass between each time a police officer gets killed on duty here. We don't have the death penalty. We don't even have life in prison.

Then again, we thought we were all safe before WW2 and the Germans came invading then. I suppose you can never know. But still, terrorism just feels like something that would never happen here. Fingers crossed for it staying so.

Finally, there be wank over homosexuality and its causes.

Until science can figure out how to MAKE a homo baby, or negate homosexuality into hetero with genetic manipulation, I'd put the 'homo gene' on the back burner of junk science with a political spin. It's like evolution... a convenient theory, but no solid proof of what happened. Just a great hope that the theory IS the reality.

Hi. You're dumb. Please to be understanding how science work, mmkay?

I so need a Bailey "bitch, please" icon. She has the best expressions.

In other news:
Italian gays fight the Vatican for increased tolerance
Spam operation gets investigated
Australia hit by early bushfires
US report claims Iraq war increases terrorism
Penis food!

Date: 2006-09-25 11:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starsong24.livejournal.com
The penis food...makes a really disturbing read.

Date: 2006-09-25 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Not helping the appetite?

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Date: 2006-09-25 11:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oh-medicate-me.livejournal.com
My personal theory about *female* character bashing is jealousy. If you note carefully, the characters most people "hate" are the ones who are

A) Young.
B) Have close connections with attractive/fangirled male characters.
C) Are either particularly attractive or important characters.

Case in point: Hermione, Ginny, Cho, Sara, Natalia, Cameron, Rose, Arwen.

All of them are young, have either had relationships with main male characters (or are close to them) and are important or conventionally attractive.

Then again, this is me and my nutjob theories, so who knows the real reason? (But you mark my words, when Nick's girlfriend appears on the next season of CSI, a bazillion fangirls will dissect her and deem her to be a "crappy" character.)

Ps. That penis restaurant is scary as hell.

Date: 2006-09-25 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com
You forgot D) Get in the way of a (percieved) OTP.

It's not always themselves they are jealous for (excepting those who identify with a female character a little too much)

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Date: 2006-09-25 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Actually, some of the most rabid Sara haters I know are in their 30s or above, interestingly enough. Though some of those could fall in under D), as drak mentioned below.

There are probably a few reasons at work, really. But it is interesting that it so often gets directed to females. With exceptions. (See Ron, Harmoanian treatment of.)

*eats*

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Date: 2006-09-25 12:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avari-elf.livejournal.com
About Norway, without wanting to sound all gloom & doom, I wouldn't be too optimistic about it never being a target for terrorism. 'Cos I'm sure there are some things about the "Norwegian way of life" that must piss off extremsists somewhere. And after all, I guess the Spanish were surprised too in 2004.

As for gay Italians: incurable optimists, if they think they're going to get a more tolerant Vatican. Why, next thing you know, women will ask to be treated equally and be ordained priests! The nerve!
But yeah, Italy also legalized divorce and abortion, so it proves that the Vatican may think and what the Italian may want don't always coincide, thankfully.

Aah, wank over the causes of homosexuality... I'm hated by everybody, as I think it's a mix of nature and culture. *raises shield*

Date: 2006-09-25 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com
I'm hated by everybody, as I think it's a mix of nature and culture.

Considering that, according to my lecturers, personality is about a 50-50 mix of genetics and experience, I wouldn't be surprised by this at all.

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Date: 2006-09-25 12:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarie-gamgee.livejournal.com
As an Spaniard, I can confirm we were shocked and surprised by the Madrid train bombings. But then, and knowing little about Norwegian politics (so I may be mistaken), I'd say Norway doesn't have one of Bush's best friends as their (now former) prime minister. Did the Norwegian government support the invasion of Iraq? I can't recall now...

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Date: 2006-09-25 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Sure, we have legalized gay marriage and go about our merry secular ways, but... There are better targets for that, you know? Denmark and Sweden are quite alike to us, but with a bigger population and thus bigger impact. We are very, very small, after all.

But of course, nothing's ever safe. Interestingly enough, they did a recent poll on how Norwegians and Norwegian muslims felt about the terror threat to Norway. 90% of muslims felt Norway was not a terrorist target. I forget the Norwegian number, but it wasn't that high at all.

Heh. I don't know what the cause is and I'm on the fence, but I do think there are possibilities for variation, you know? Not everyone is exclusively heterosexual or exclusively homosexual, while some are, so different factors may lead to different degrees. Much research to be done still. But that it also pops up in nature is to me a strong argument genetic or hormonal factors do play in.

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Date: 2006-09-25 12:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] falena
Yes, the Vatican has been pressuring every bloody government, holding back any kind of reform towards civil marriage rights for gay people. Always has. Nothing new under the sun.

I couldn't disagree more with the Church on this matter, yet what really pisses me off are our politicians. As far as I know Italy is a democracy, not a theocracy, so they should let the Pope - or any other religious leader for that matter - talk all he wants while they do whatever is in the citizens' best interest. Like, protecting and extending their civil rights.

On a very different note...Tu quoque BBC? The Italian quote at the end of the page is horribly misspelt. *sigh*

Psst, I think you linked to the Norwegian version of the Aftenposten article.

The penis food article...I couldn't read it through. It made me very uneasy.

Date: 2006-09-25 12:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Not to mention the Vatican = not Italy. They are their own wee state last I looked. Which means they can fuck off from Italian affairs. Bzzt, next.

(Besides, gay rights will in fact not make Satan smite your country. In fact, it doesn't change much at all.)

Gah. Link is fixed now.

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Date: 2006-09-25 12:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] lotus79.livejournal.com
The penis food was rather memorable, I must say. My favourite bit was the journo walking the fine line between offending his host or eating something gross.

How's work?

Date: 2006-09-25 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
A journo's life can be a hard one.

Mad.

Date: 2006-09-25 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moyawyvern.livejournal.com
Reading that penis food link made me very glad that I had not eaten breakfast yet. It might have come back to say hello again. As for the food, I think I will stick to my regular Chinese food, as I don't think they serve reproductive organs, a fact that I am very happy about.

Date: 2006-09-25 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
I must be abnormal, as I ate merrily just five minutes after reading that story.

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Date: 2006-09-25 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] freezer818.livejournal.com
I so need a Bailey "bitch, please" icon. She has the best expressions.

Would "The Match Game" be a reasonable substitute?

Date: 2006-09-25 03:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Heh. I do have a Norwegian "bitch, please" icon *points*, but for this occasion, I wanted Bailey.

Date: 2006-09-25 02:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slm4gsr.livejournal.com
I so need a Bailey "bitch, please" icon. She has the best expressions.

"Ask and ye shall receive":

Image

Date: 2006-09-25 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Aww, you're too nice!

*yoinks*

Date: 2006-09-25 02:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] herbgurl82.livejournal.com
The penis food is...interesting. It's not only limited to Beijing- my history class had a Vietnam War Vet speaker come in to tell us about his experiences. While he was there a second time, some years later, several local people took him out to eat, where he was served goat testicles, the local speciality of the restaurant. He only found that out halfway through the meal, and had to drink quite a bit of beer to get through the rest of the meal...

Date: 2006-09-25 03:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Mmmm, lovely...

Date: 2006-09-25 03:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evilstorm.livejournal.com
*is immigrant Chinese and has not tried any such delicacies yet...and is pretty woeful about it*

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Date: 2006-09-25 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] siraj.livejournal.com
homosexuality wank... ... is the wankshelter bar open? I think I need some aquavit after that... and probably a good bit of rum.

Date: 2006-09-27 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] juliejordan.livejournal.com
"It's not that hard to get, now is it? You might hate Sara/Catherine/Rose/Reinette/Meredith/Addison/Arwen etc, but that doesn't mean they're not liked at all by anybody ever."

You win!

I'm SO sick of the Reinette bashing fics out there. As much of a Mary-Sue that Reinette is, I happen to quite love the character and I'm about ready to murder the next fanmoron who writes another character bashing fic. Obviously, people are free to hate on Reinette all they want, but BashFic is taking it all a step too far, IMHO.

I've never understood why some female characters get so much hated directed towards them. Or why hetfic is reguarded by such disdain by so many women/girls. Okay, like Slash all you want, but why should het ever be taboo or require warnings? Does not compute.

Date: 2006-09-28 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Women seem to like to pick on women. Might be a sign we got ways to go on equality and sexism within own gender as well, or maybe we feel more comfortable going after our own gender. Who knows...

The het hate confuses me something, but then again, so does the "EW, slash". Maybe people sometimes like to have something to feel opressed and contrary too.

Date: 2006-09-28 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undeadgoat.livejournal.com
Blonde hair is totally not genetic! Because or else we would be engineering babies to be brunette! Duh!

Date: 2006-09-28 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Oh, genes do play in. It's just genes can be dormant, or non-dominant or for other reasons not kick in. Scandinavians have a higher precentage of blond(e) hair and blue eyes because it's more predominant in our genetic make-up.

As I understand it, anyway.

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