Greetings from the amoral, non-accountable atheist (with bonus wank)

[misscam]

So apparently I'm all amoral and untrustworthy and stuff.

I think Athiests get a little bit of the cold shoulder. But can you honestly be surprised? I can't trust anyone that doesn't at least think that there is a posability there is some sort of higher power. Athiests are amoral and think they know better than everyone and think that there is nothing better than them and no one will hold them acountable for thier actions. But no one is fucking telling them what to do. They just get.. ignored. Boo-hoo. (From wank report.)

I feel so informed now. Never knew I weren't held accountable for my actions. All that time I've spent actually thinking my own conscience was as nasty an accounant as anyone else, just totally pointless.

So yes, I am alive and good and sorry about being somewhat absent. There's just been life and WoW and a slight desire to have a break from fandom, as sometimes happen. And the biathlon WC is on - very exciting. Two golds and a silver for Norway so far.

My birthday is in a little over two weeks, which some of you have apparently figured out - I know someone asked for my addy, so here it is because I can't remember who. But if you really want to give me a gift or something, I am just as happy with something given online, like icons or cards or whatever.

WoW update: Lvl 64 and with a wee warp hunter pet named Viserion, who is the cutest. Awww.

time_and_chips update: lotus79 and me will be looking for someone to make a new layout for it. Wish us good hunting - or offer your head on the block if you want?

What-makes-Cam-sad update: Violence during an Italian football match leaves one policeman dead. For anyone who is a football fan - and that very much includes me - that is just plain sad. And enraging-

Things a bit tense in the GSR camp of CSI fandom, I see. (Spoilers for upcoming season seven episodes, and have to be a member to read.)

And elsewhere, it's all about the math: i want them to fall flat on their faces, land in the gutter and see snickers and go whoa, thats hot, lets do that, bahahaha.
and what funni is they didnt get MORE viewers, they got less, THEY LOST 25% of the viewers, like, HELLO!!!! the majority of viewers arent shippers, lets say for arguments sake, that 30% of viewers are, that means that while 5% like gsr, 25% dont. its plain math. lol.

Good to know CSI fandom hasn't changed one bit while I've been paying attention elsewhere. May is just totally going to bring another wankimplosion. Better be ready with the drinks.

Now, what did I miss while I was preoccupied? Give me the dish. What's up with you all?

Comments

[sinneahtes.livejournal.com]

Wow, how about you and I and all the other atheists out there go out and steal some cars and light a building on fire and paint swear words on an elementary school's wall! We'll just get ignored, yay!

(And I'm just dying laughing at the line "[atheists] think they know better than everyone else." Because nobody with a god ever tried to shape the laws of their land thinking they knew best, right?)

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Neeeeeever happened. Like ever. History is not full of examples of that, no siree! That's just atheist propaganda.

Seems to be really hard for some people to get that what you do with what you believe in is the true test for your morals, because thinking yourself a good person is hardly hard at all.

[mthespinner.livejournal.com]

Why is it that people can't spell? Is spell check incompatible with religious belief? Is good grammar a sign of evil nature? Inquiring minds want to know!


And happy birthday!

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Isn't till the 21st, so a weeee bit early :P

Good grammar is the work of the demons of English, clearly.

[jocelyncs.livejournal.com]

The football riot story got to me too. The rioting is bad enough, and I posted a rant on my LJ today when MSNBC offhandedly included the Hillsborough disaster in events caused by hooliganism (which it wasn't.)

Americans have our share of sports violence, but I don't comprehend the anger wrapped up in European football--both among the fans and towards them.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

I remember Hillsborough, actually. The images of people getting pressed against the fence left a bit of a traumatic mark on my fairly young mind. It is quite horrific seeing people getting squished to death. Shudder.

The football is just the outlet - it's really more an angry young men problem than a football problem. But it's still football that has to try to find a way to at least control it.

[orla-fey.livejournal.com]

It boggles the brain that so many people think morality and religion are inseparable. I know religious people who go to church three times a week, cheat and have affairs. I also know a lot of atheist and agnostic people who give to charity and manage not to murder and rape.

Who would have thunk it?

[misscam.livejournal.com]

A shocking thought that maybe whether or not you are a good person are actually down to whether or not you are a good person, not which particular holy text you follow or don't.

Religion doesn't automatically make you a good person, nor does it stop you from being one, which seem to be the belief of some as well.

[mademoisellenon.livejournal.com]

You're alive... *dead from shock*

Does your gmail account work? I think I've spammed it. Was getting quite worried but Lvl 64 is v.important :)

You've been missed, my dear amoral Norwegian.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

It's working, but I haven't seen any e-mails from you. Hmmm.

I think work was a bit more important than WoW, but it is up there ;)

Awwww.

[spudzilla.livejournal.com]

You should check out Fundies Say the Darndest Things, if you don't already.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Oh, I know of it.

[melliyna.livejournal.com]

I'm an agnostic - does that make me half moral half immoral? *goes to save some kittens and set some cars on fire* Seriously though - wtf?

As for me my main news involves going to see Spamalot on Broadway *yay* missing gum trees like mad (see also missing Doctor Who rather madly).

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Save kittens while setting cars on fire?

Ooh, sounds exciting. Going to Broadway is always a bit of a treat, I understand. But yeah, hear you on missing the Who.

[wendymr.livejournal.com]

Oh, welcome back! I was wondering where you were and whether gaming had swallowed you completely. T&C's missed you, I know.

Birthday in two weeks? Snap! Though I see mine's a few days before yours.

As for amoral atheists... tell me again, is it atheism or religious fundamenalism that's responsible for most of the major conflicts in the world today? ;)

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Oh, I've watched T&C daily, deleting OT stuff and telling people to use lj-cuts. So haven't been absent from there as such.

We share birthday month, huh?

I say it's good old-fashioned human asshattery with that ever-present greed and powerlust.

[malaleen.livejournal.com]

I was wondering what happened to you, I hadn't seen you post anything in a long while. Glad to see you back.

It'll be nice to see a new layout at T&C. Not that I don't like the old one, but new layouts are always neat.

As for the anti-atheists...*snort* there's just nothing else to say about that.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yeah. Was thinking T&C could get one of both Nine&Ten and Rose, reflecting it's not catering to any particular incarnation. Plus, nice to redecorate now and then ;)

It's annoying how life sometimes happens, innit?

[wintergreen126.livejournal.com]

*waves* hi!...oh gosh, i started this like an hour ago and was then distracted first by my lab report, and by the super bowl. so i totally forget was i was going to say. boo.

anyway, glad to hear you're doing well! just don't act all amoral, ok? because that's all kinds of badness. good grief, people, have you really nothing better to fight about? how come all this crazy passion that's funneled toward this and figuring out the math of shipper stuff can't be directed elsewhere? like somewhere more constructive- as in the darfur situation or something. nevermind, i think i'm asking for way too much.

have a great week, cam!

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Better amoral than immoral, at least.

A little energy directed into more trivial matters is what keeps us sane sometimes, I think. When it doesn't make us batshit, anyway. All seriousness all the time just drains you.

I shall try :P

[marcasite.livejournal.com]

Cam! welcome back, missed you (and your sense of humour) muchly!!

And yay for birthdays. Doing anything exciting?

[misscam.livejournal.com]

:)

Eating cake and watching sports, probably. It's a weekend, so I doubt I'll do too much exciting on the day.

[siraj.livejournal.com]

let's see... work, work, lots of cold, mocking of bush, though Phelps hasn't raised his ugly head yet... we might have gotten lucky and he died via spontaneous combustion.

I got you a surprise, so it'll be perfect for your birthday.

Let me put it this way... I promised it to you a couple months back... ^_^

[jocelyncs.livejournal.com]

Phelps has been suspiciously quiet lately. It's got me bracing myself for his next burst of creativity.

[wiccagirl24.livejournal.com]

Sigh. When are people going to realize that morality and religion are not the same thing? Just because you profess to belive in a god doesn't mean your actions become 'right.' Some of the biggest bastards I've known have been 'religious' people.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Heck, people have used religion as justification to be bastards at times. Such is life.

[dragovianknight.livejournal.com]

So Christians are only good because their imaginary friend is watching?

I...think that says more about the speaker's morality than yours.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

I'm sure she would say the same, in less flattering terms.

[maureenlycaon.livejournal.com]

*tacklehugsglomps* You're alive! You're alive! Did you ever get my Yule gift?

What you missed: I have a job (I hope). I have a motorcycle. I actually FINISHED AN EROTIC STORY. And I have missed you dearly on AIM.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Oh yes. I ate the marzipan at once, I'm afraid. And the pop-tarts. I'm all hedonistic like that.

Wheee congrats! Hurrah for you on all three. I'm muchly pleased. :)

[aka-paloma.livejournal.com]

So apparently I'm all amoral and untrustworthy and stuff.

OMG! u liek so ttlly r!!!

there is a posability

Just because YOU, Cam, don't believe that God is an action figure doesn't mean the rest of the world can't play with their Holy Trinity Collector's Set™ (batteries not included)...

...if there is indeed a Hell, I bought a one-way ticket there, didn't I?

I might pay more notice to these people IF they could achieve the "possibility" of correct spelling, word usage and grammar. Until they can properly punctuate a sentence, I pffft! at them and bid them to leave the rest of the sane world alone. Immediately. And honestly, the "posability" LJer's choice of username? It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Glad to see you back. :D

[siraj.livejournal.com]

"Holy Trinity Collector's Set™"

I want one of those now...

[colorstoobright.livejournal.com]

I'm just happy to see you back altogether. :)

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Awww.

I've been a bad dog and wandered, I have.

[aervir.livejournal.com]

It's nice to see you back! I was already wondering whether I should e-mail you or whether this would be too stalkerish. :)

You certainly didn't miss anything exciting in your absence as far as I am concerned. Procrastinated on my thesis like mad, had computer crash, bought new laptop, discovered joys of a shiny "new" fandom (Buffy) several years after that show was cancelled, procrastinated some more...

Yup, that's it.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Nothing wrong with stalkers now and then ;) They're good for the ego, you know.

Uh oh. Well, at least when teh fandom is old, the wank has mostly passed. And Buffy had some serious amount of it, I know. (I lurked at the fridges of it.)

[ericasj.livejournal.com]

Hey. Nice to see you back. I just got my first personal attack at whoiskeppler.com ...well I probably have been attacked somewhere, sometime, but tis the first time someone said it directly to me. Ummmm yay? LOL.

Anyway you've been missed. :D

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Do not tease me like that and not provide any details, woman! That's just mean. Dish, dish, dish!

And now you're properly in fandom, don't you know? Would you like your Fandom Insulted comlimentary drink right away?

:)

[miss-andromache.livejournal.com]

The CSI fandom is such a bore these days. The wankers can't find anything new to wank about I suppose.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

They just find new ways to wank about the old. Though admitedly the coke can wank recently was a new one.

[smalldiver.livejournal.com]

*Blinks* Did I read that right? Someone actually admitting that not all CSI viewers are shippers?

[misscam.livejournal.com]

OMG LIES!!!!!! ALL WATCH FOR THE SHIP GRILLOWS SNICKERS GSR!!!! I KNOW BECAUSE I HAVE TEH VOICES OF ALL THE VIEWERS IN MY HEAD!!!!!111

[falena]

*squee*

I MISSED THIS!

Links, wank, snark and lots of nice people with functioning brains leaving interesting comments.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Mmm, tasty brains.

My flist is indeed made of awesome, and I've been a bad girl neglecting it. Spank me?

*crash tackles you*

[lotus79.livejournal.com]

The stupid, it buuuuurrrrnssss.

Funny thing is, my Mum used to say she had issues with Catholicism because of confession--she reckoned with that system they were encouraged to do whatever they liked and they would be forgiven if they just confessed. Of course that's not quite how it works.

But I dunno... the Christian idea of forgiveness seems far more problematic to me than not having a religious moral code you feel compelled to follow. After all, Christianity pretty much teaches that all will be forgiven if one just repents. I agree with the spirit--I don't agree with the death penalty because it is an absolutist punishment and leaves no room for redemption--however, if the only reason you are not raping and murdering is fear of punishment... well, that won't stop you for long. All fears are eventually overcome.

I refrain from doing evil things because I believe they are wrong, not because some religion tells me they are wrong. Ethics are internal, and never absolute--all religion is is another code of laws, just like the laws of a country. The difference is that punishment for one is concrete, the other abstract. If one stops believing in the abstract, the deterrent disappears (which is kinda what this one is arguing, now I think about it... ohshit, I thought myself into batshit land. Help!)

So my conclusion is that one has to do make ethical decisions based on one's own impetus, not fear of punishment, or else one has no morals of their own. So laws and religion are both irrelevant.

(I am so not going to proofread that. I'm sure it will make absolutely no sense!)

I have been watching 'Curse of Fenric' today. There are mentions of vikings, but I think they have it all arse upwards, as usual. Still, it might give you a laugh.

And I know what you mean. Fandom boreth me silly, lately.

Re: *crash tackles you*

[misscam.livejournal.com]

*pats* I get what you mean. I do think fear of punishment is part of what makes the majority not totally misbehave. In regimes where punishment has been taken away and made a reward instead, there are certainly enough examples of normal humans going totally off the moral rails. But you do have examples of people doing good even in those circumstances, so it's definitely not all about fear of punishment.

Morality is actually a complicated issue and realising that gets you on a safe boat out of batshit land.

They usually do, sadly. The myth of the Vikings is stronger than the history of the Vikings, me think.

Mmmm. Maybe it'll be more entertaining when the new series starts. Yay new series.

[princess-spygal.livejournal.com]

So apparently I'm all amoral and untrustworthy and stuff.
Never mind, lets form a club!

Nice to see you back anyway =D

[misscam.livejournal.com]

A club with drink and nekkid men. I insist.

Heh, thanks.

[padawanpooh.livejournal.com]

*waves* Missed you, Misscam! Don't worry, I must be the most evil of the evil: Ex-fundy Christian who saw the light of agnosticism (as in god doesn't even figure in the equation) about 6 years ago...