What you don't want to wake to and how Firefly is all about rape apparently (w/plans and meme)

[misscam]

Hope you all enjoyed your holiday/weekend - and didn't get snowed to despair like I did. Argh, weathersgods. Argh.

Bad weather seems also to have lead to another fatal building collapse after a landslide. Weather, not to be trifled with. (I see it made BBC too..)

Can you imagine waking up at 3 a.m by the building 'jumping' and then collapsing on you? Holy shit. Latest is that there's a gas-fuelled fire going and five people are feared dead.

Live while you can, because there are no guarantees. Yowza.

I see half my flist are talking about A Rapist's View of the World: Joss Whedon and Firefly and... Yeah. I'll let you form your own mind up. (People are rather angry at it here.) I will however say one thing - speaking as one who has actually had experience with rape, can people bloody well stop using stupid metaphores with it already? It's dragged into so much stupid and diluted so much it makes me grit my teeth. You know what is exactly like rape? Rape. You know what isn't like rape? Most things in life. YA RLY.

GAHRGH.

Plans for the week:
- Explore patch 2.4 for WoW. Yay Sunwell. Yay killing Kael for good. Yay new loot.
- Cheer my team to victory in the first football match of the season. That's right. Tippeligaen 2008 is here! Men! Balls! Sunday!
- Finish But For Hope (or How Sex Didn't Heal Rose, but Life Might) finally.
- Plot holiday of awesome for falena84's visit.
- Decide on a new layout - currently, I'm thinking about a "Complicated is the whole point" one with various ships and stuff I have, though WoW is also a strong contender.
- Kill the snow just with my Glare of Hate and Spring Lust. Give me spring and biking conditions, dammit!

A fannish meme:
You know you have television/films/books/music/fanfiction you're ashamed to admit to liking. Confess!

I admit I have watched... The Bachelor. Several seasons. And kinda enjoyed it in a train-wreck-omg-what sort of way. Help.

You may now hit me with a clam.

Comments

[skywardprodigal.livejournal.com]

You know what is exactly like rape? Rape. You know what isn't like rape? Most things in life.

Agreed.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Rape gets used in so many stupid fandom arguments it should be banned from usage until further notice, sheesh.

Come to think of it, same for nazism and politics...

[colorstoobright.livejournal.com]

I'm waiting for that Rape/Firefly thing to show up on Fandom Wank. It should show up soon, right?

I admit I have watched... The Bachelor. Several seasons. And kinda enjoyed it in a train-wreck-omg-what sort of way. Help.
I DID THAT FOR ONE SEASON. The one guy was just so hot, ahsfjkafasf. Now I am so tempted to watch the new season on TV here... it's a trainwreck you cannot pull away from.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Possibly. I certainly wouldn't be suprised if it made a showing, but then again, it might be deemed not!funny.

Who was the dude? I must admit I most of the time find the men rather bland, it's just something hysterically funny about "the last rose of the evening DUMDUMDUM".

re: firefly thingy-ma-bobber

[aelie-baby.livejournal.com]

I can't decide whether or not it's the lack of sleep or the sheer fallacy of her arguments that is making me fall out of my chair laughing.

Just... gah. People make brainz hurt.

Re: firefly thingy-ma-bobber

[misscam.livejournal.com]

I admit some of her arguments rather made my brain go 'bzzz FATAL ERROR REBOOT REBOOT REEEEEBOOOOOOT'.

Seriously, all het sex is like rape? WTF? FAIL TRY AGAIN.

[lotus79.livejournal.com]

You know you have television/films/books/music/fanfiction you're ashamed to admit to liking. Confess!

Neighbours. Occasionally. Not recently, though.

Also, I have actually got somewhat hooked on So You Think You Can Dance (AU version) since I started taping it for my Dance classes.

Music... Darren Hayes.

Films... the Mists of Avalon. It was godawful but I couldn't stop replaying it

Fanfiction... too many to count. Sometimes when there's no good stuff for a pairing you love and so you just have to read the bad stuff. Yeah.

Books... Virginia Andrews' older stuff. (You know, the ones she actually wrote)

[misscam.livejournal.com]

I prefer the 'Strictly' version, I admit. Celebrities dancing ballroom and often failing? Good times all around.

Did that movie have Arthur shag it with his sister or some such? A faint bell rings.

I used to read lots of bad fic. Now I play WoW. Um, yay?

[yattara.livejournal.com]

What a load of hooey about Firefly, blargh.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Never watched Firefly much, so can't really opine greatly on that, but some of her general statements just made me want to smack my brain against a whale.

[smtfhw.livejournal.com]

I see half my flist are talking about A Rapist's View of the World: Joss Whedon and Firefly and... Yeah. I'll let you form your own mind up. (People are rather angry at it here.)

I'm not so much angry as baffled and befuddled by her... What planet is this woman coming from?

[misscam.livejournal.com]

The human ability to form such radically different POVs about the same world never ceases to amaze, really.

[falena]

Um. The Firefly meta left me speechless.
I know there's no right way of reading a text, perception is subjective and our own experiences colour our way of seeing the world and all that jazz, but seriously the things the OP read in my beloved Firefly are so far off from mine that they almost make me doubtmy ability to understand things.

The rape metaphor is mind-boggling and absolutely poor taste.


Plot holiday of awesome

Yay!

Do not book anything yet, though, because a job sort of fell out of the sky right into my lap which means all my summer plans are on hold, until I find out exactly my working schedule for the next six months.

I don't know if I'm meant to be happy for the job or sad that I've been robbed of my last long summer as a student. :/

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I must admit hardcore creationists just makes me wonder soemtimes if they're just seeing something I'm not. Then I realise it's rather that they're not, since the Earth is not 6000 years old KTHXBAI.

The rape metaphor did not land well with me, as you can imagine. Especially her remarks about Joss Whendon's wife. Why the hell do so many self-proclaimed feminists get so ugly about women? It's not on.

Oooh - well, congrats, and I'll just plan and not book, then. I'm mainly just planning time-wise, so fear not, nothing is in stone yet.

And know the feeling - I got awesome job just as I was really enjoying time off and had been looking forward to two more weeks. But ah well, sometimes opportunity knocks and you just have to answer in your bikini.

[rivrea.livejournal.com]

While there are some legitimate points buried in the Firefly post and the comments on that entry (the way prostitution is often glamourised on TV or the way in which strength is automatically equated with violence), it still makes me want to bash my head against the wall.

Defining 'rape' so broadly and vaguely empties it out of all meaning and is an insult to women who have suffered through sexual abuse. And I 'love' the fact that radical separatist feminists dismiss the opinions of other women who might not agree with their views as false consciousness instilled by male supremacy. Yeah, way to go there and foster a feeling of sisterhood.

[rivrea.livejournal.com]

But after reading all the comments in the post you linked to, over at fireflyfans, I'm now also angry at every user who implied there that this is somehow representative of feminism in general (which is clearly an icky thing that consists only of foaming at the mouth and misandry). It's a lose-lose situation for my blood pressure.

[vulgarweed.livejournal.com]

I keep seeing links to that popping up. It's like a really good trainwreck.

Dear radical feminists: Plz to stop trivializing rape, kthnxbai.

But the point where I couldn't even read it for the lulz anymore was that bit about white men and women of color blah blah blah. Aside from the personal gut response of OH NO YOU DID NOT JUST DIS MY FAMILY BITCH there's this...is it just me or did she bend so far backwards to be anti-racist she came all the way around to being a BIG DAMN RACIST?

But I will not allow comments that are insulting, woman-hating or potentially silencing of women."

Ah, I see. It's potentially silencing women she doesn't like. Actually silencing women who disagree with her is A-OK.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yeah, she rather did. I often find the oh-I'm-so-tolerate-let-me-patronize-you-over-my-tolerace-haha-aren't-I-awesome to be even more annoying than some of the more blatant stuff.

I can understand taking away abusive comments and wanting a safe space and all, but sheesh, if you start a debate, allow people to disagree or you're just having a monologue.

[skybound2]

I'm DESPERATELY trying NOT to click on that link right now. As I am at work, and I am VERY afraid that my head will implode. *must resist clicking*

As for the meme: Movie I'm ashamed to admit I like? The Thing Called Love with River Phoenix, Samantha Mathis, and Sandra Bollock. It's silly, and corny, and features lots of country music and line dancing, and River's mumbled acting, but I do so adore it *sigh*

You may now hit me with a clam. What if I don't wanna?

[misscam.livejournal.com]

The clam will feel unused?

And save the link for later. Trust me.

I know lots of people on my flist admit to loving High School Musical. Sometimes, corny with music is just best of all, it seems.

[visp.livejournal.com]

That Firefly rant was just plain stupid. I liked the "Zoe is Black and her husband is white, so he's a dirty rapist" bit the best.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Because clearly, love never crosses gender and race and stuff like that.

[hotpot8202.livejournal.com]

I watch The Bachelor too! lol It is always my number one pick for the 'I don't freely admit to people that I watch that' show. :)

[misscam.livejournal.com]

Yesh. The whole concept of it is totally shaming, which is why it's safer to admit watching Survivor. Which I don't, so heh.

[anitchka.livejournal.com]

No, no, no, when are you going to learn that the crazy dingbat lunatic gay feminazi whackjob is so much smarter and more well-informed than you are and you are actually an anti-women, er, anti-wymyn psychopath who legitimizes men's evil women, er, wymyn destroying propaganda. YOU'RE THE REASON WE STILL AREN'T RULING THE WORLD, OBV.

[misscam.livejournal.com]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

She must help me repent. Erm, I can hate onwomen watching Firefly? I want to rule the world! And have a harem of evil men so I can properly re-educate them.

[the-s-guy.livejournal.com]

Spice World. Twice :)

[redpistolet.livejournal.com]

I need a bit of time before I start exploring the new WoW content. There's no way I'm fighting those crowds! But I'm excited for the new instance.

Huzzah!

Heihei.

[bluerosefairy.livejournal.com]

Oh God. I didn't think it was possible for my brain to want to go 'splode any more than it did when Anne Rice first posted that "Lestat talks to MEEE" rant.

I was wrong.

FAIL. EPIC FAIL. ERROR. ERROR. REBOOT.

My guilty pleasure: Marion Zimmer Bradley's Mists of Avalon (the book and the movie), dance music (a la techno-y remixes of Madonna or Jennifer Lopez or Justin Timberlake), Avril Lavigne's "Girlfriend" (look, it's only because of the high-larious House/Wilson/Amber vid someone did to it), and U2 fanfiction. Also, professional wrestling, but everyone knows I dig that.

[azaleyes.livejournal.com]

I actually just saw the finalist on the Bachelor (last years) at a B-Ball game over easter weekend. She was so pretty...
Stay safe!

[crackpig.livejournal.com]

You know you have television/films/books/music/fanfiction you're ashamed to admit to liking. Confess!

fanfiction - janeway/torres Star Trek: Voyager femslash.

667,
ashamhed.

[ilingeron.livejournal.com]

There is so much crazy in that post, but mostly it scared me and pissed me off. How can someone claim to be progressive, but also claim that inter-racial relationships don't work? Or be so insensitive to women who have actually been raped? I wish I could laugh it off, but it makes me sick.



You know you have television/films/books/music/fanfiction you're ashamed to admit to liking. Confess!

Big Brother, Mercedes Lackey, cumbias, and Panic at the Disco.

[greyladybast.livejournal.com]

Re: the Firefly thing: I call myself a feminist, out loud in front of everyone, and refuse to back down from it. I read a fair lot of the feminist blogosphere, from the sex-poz to the rad-fem and back again. I annoy the crap out of my friends and family by parsing out shows, the news, fandom, music, and nearly everything else fo all the annoyingly subtle anti-woman, patriarchial, strict-gender-role-espousing crap that fucking insists on creeping into pop (and other) culture. Any yes, I have spotted some philosophical and/or ideological problems with Firefly and Whedon-as-uber-feminist both. And I gotta say, that chick's rant was a complete and total load of sub-par bullshit!

Furthermore, that all-sex-is-rape nonsense offends the ever-livin' shit out of me! You had the stranger-in-the-alley experience. I had the friend-I-thought-I-could-trust-betrayed-me-and-pounced experience. Loving, consensual sex like the kind between Zoe and Wash IS NOT RAPE!! What you went through, what I went through, and the spectrum between---that's rape, and you're right, the only thing that's just like rape is rape.

I may have to slap a bitch with a quahog...

You know you have television/films/books/music/fanfiction you're ashamed to admit to liking. Confess!

Little House on the Prairie. Bruce-Willis-or-applicable-clone-blows-shit-up movies. The Weiss/Hickman Dragonlance books. The Beastie Boys, Glenn Miller, and semi-obscure early 90's proto-emo like the Sisters of Mercy. Self-inserts that don't cross into Mary Suedom, and I loves me a decent hurt/comfort fic, especially if it's slashy.

Also, I like deeply crappy Salisbury steak frozen dinners, though you didn't ask about embarrassing foods.

Bast

[everywhereto-me.livejournal.com]

I fucking hate the metaphors. I hate hate hate them. I just want to shout WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?! And people wonder why so few people report the rape? Well maybe if we talked about it more, hell even USED THE FUCKING WORD the numbers would go up.

/rage.

Le sigh.

[wintergreen126.livejournal.com]

that firefly thing? wow. for someone who takes issue with a long list of offensive remarks, there are some offensive statements in her rant.

i liked august rush. i know, i know, it's such sappy, sappy movie that relies on all sorts of too cute coincidences. um, let's just say i liked the music. yeah, that's it. i liked the music :o)

how has the weather been so far this week? still bad?

have a good rest of the week :o)

[bloodanna.livejournal.com]

Ooh, I loved August Rush! It's totally sappy and unrealistic, but I love it, it's like a fairytale with fantastic actors! Plus I really loved the music, I have both 'Moondance' (the bit from the roof scene) and 'August's Rhapsody' on my Ipod.

[keirelle.livejournal.com]

Ugh. The Firefly rant just...so many things wrong with it. She obviously didn't apply anything to the context, or take into consideration that the people on that ship, despite being criminals and hurting people on a regular basis, do like eachother and even have varying degrees of affection and love for eachother. It's so infuriating how she generalizes heterosexual relationships, I can't stand it. But rant stops here.

On the WoW content: Baaah, I havn't been to Quel'thalas yet, I just hit 68. My boyfriend has already been in Magister's Terrace twice! >=/

[bloodanna.livejournal.com]

OMG, that "Essay", I admit I haven't seen all of Firefly (I was only introduced to it after it had ended), but I still am appalled at how she sees it, I just kind of read the whole thing with my mouth hanging open. Some of the "Evidence" and arguments she presents...
Like "The first scene opens in a war with Mal and Zoe. Zoe runs around calling Mal ‘sir’ and taking orders off him. I roll my eyes. Not a good start." Mal is the freaking CAPTAIN, Zoe can't exactly go "Dude, I am so not doing that" even if the captain was female she is still ranked lower than him.
Then her racist view of Zoe and Washs relationship. I mean he's white, she's black thus he is a disgusting, raping pervert? That's like insane troll logic, it doesn't even fit in the show that she claims to have watched through twice, I mean Wash worships Zoe and admires her strength, if anything it's one of the healthier relationships out there in TV-land! Though my favourite bit has to be: "...Inara is not paid by any of these men for her time, energy and emotional support." That's where I started laughing because one she is obviously bias in not mentioning that Kaylee doesn't pay either and two Inara's not really being a Companion there, I mean does The Author comfort/reassure her friends/roommates then demand payment? *laughs*
She was obviously searching for things to be wrong with it and if that's her world's view I think she needs some help because she is quickly reaching Fred Phelps level of insanity. I mean all M/F sex is Rape? WTF, that's rather like saying all death is murder. No, ok? Rape is Rape! It's not anything else and nothing else is like it! I mean it can destroy people and to have her paint it with so broad a brush, to treat it so frivolously makes me feel sick.

I do just have to giggle at all the people on the second post though who act like that "Essay" is how all feminists think because all I can think of is this quote, I mean really. *giggles*

And because I can't pass up a meme:
You know you have television/films/books/music/fanfiction you're ashamed to admit to liking. Confess!
TV: 'Degrassi: The Next Generation', I haven't seen much of it, but yeah, I love it. Also 'Lipstick Jungle', I actually enjoy that one so much that I tend to talk to the characters as I watch it....
Film: 'Clerks II', I feel like such a emotionally-stunted-perv to admit to watching it (thrice) and loving it in a OMG-they-didn't kind of way (I mean the donkey scene! *blushes*).