Oh hai, Dail Mail fuckwit opinion on rape
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misscamSays fuckwit, aisle Daily Mail: ... it does mean that a rape victim who was drunk deserves less sympathy.
OH NO YOU DIDN'T.
He then goes on to bitch about his taxes being used to compensate rape victims. Ohnoes, you know. His precious tax pounds.
So I suppose we must resign ourselves to the fact that a growing slice of our taxes will be handed over to victims of unsolved rapes, while rape itself increases – the inevitable result of the collapse of sexual morality.
But I cannot see why women who ignore the wisdom of the ages, and make themselves more likely to be victims by drinking too much, should get the same size cheque as women who are raped despite acting responsibly.
You, good sir, are a fuckwit and let me explain to you very slowly in your chosen language of English.
1) You are putting the focus on THE VICTIM. What about the guys who drink and then do stupid shit like rape? Not a word about how bad they are for society, I note. No, no. Lets make it all about the victim and not the culprit. So you want to talk about how drinking is bad and a factor in rape? Yeah, make it about the victim and not the culprits who rape while under the influence. Gee, notice something slightly off there?
2) Doing something dumb now gets you less sympathy? WTF is sympathy, some sort of currency with a fluctuating exchange rate? Someone who is a bit 'dim' (to use your words) has as much right to your sympathy as anyone else because what happened to her is equally horrible no matter why it happened.
3) Women who are drunk do no more asked to be raped than women who wear low-cut tops, women who walk home alone, women who live. Women are more likely to be raped just by living, as it so happens. Drinking might put women in a more vunerable position, but so can a lot of other things. If you start deducting compensation for risk factor you might as well deduct some for living in general. Life is risk, because our society is not safe and somehow, we as a women are a bit dim unless we're willing to live life a little less because some guys are fuckwits who rape?
4) Most rapes do not happen between strangers. Most happen between a victim and a perp that know each other. Are we supposed to blame women who trust a guy they know enough to drink with him but not the guy who takes advantage of this trust to rape? If all it takes is a bit of drinking and men can't help themselves, why are not they being locked up as protective measure?
5) 'Of course she is culpable, just as she would be culpable if she crashed a car and injured someone while drunk, or stepped out into the traffic while drunk and was run over.' Ye Gods, your comparison to being drunk and stepping into the road to get hit by a passing car. No woman forces a guy to rape her by stepping into his path. So she got plastered. That does not mean the guy couldn't help himself. He could and he didn't. It's more like the guy driving saw a drunk woman, deliberately turned his car to hit her because he knew her ability to react would be impaired. See the rather crucial difference there? You might say 'oh, if she hadn't been drunk, she might have been able to throw herself to one side and not get hit, so it's a bit on her really'. THE CAR STILL WENT FOR HER. She still got hit. It still hurt just as much if she had been sober when hit.
6) ‘If women want to dress provocatively, then they should be free to do so, and I say thanks a lot to those who do.’ OH BITE ME. I don't dress for you, I don't want your thanks and it's not for you to approve of how I dress. That's always and forever my choice.
7) Binge-drinking and stupid shit happening while drunk IS a society problem, yeah. But it's also something given quite a lot of pass in society, indulged in a 'haha-you-know-what-I-did-while-drunk-last-weekend' way and even pushed to a certain degree. So faulting women for drinking when men do it merrily to the same degree because rape is something to mostly happen to women? Double standards, fuckwit. Heard of them?
8) Your aside about how 'collapse of sexual morality' has lead to more rape? HAI, you don't know that. What you might know is that reports of rape has increased, maybe because women feel a little more supported when reporting it these days. A little. Rape is still hugely underreported and you don't think this was the case in some glorious nostalgic olden times? Don't put the past on a pedastal - everything wasn't better before. And quite frankly, any sort of implication that sexual liberation of women has lead to more rape is disgusting and pinning it on the woman AGAIN. You better not be implying that, you fuckwit.
The comments are full of fail and men going on about how many women evilly accuse poor innocent men of rape to make money. To which I rather like this reply:
The conviction rate for rape in the UK is about 6%. In the meantime, a woman who accuses a man of rape has a 100% chance of getting treatment that accompanies no other crime: she’ll be blamed, she’ll be lectured on what she did wrong and what else she coulda shoulda woulda done, she’ll have her every sexual choice before or after the alleged crime dissected, she’ll be told he couldn’t have meant it because he’s just not really like that, she’ll be told it’s not that serious really and can’t she just let it go for the good of all, she’ll be questioned for her determination to ruin a man’s life for what was really just one little mistake; and that’s from the people who believe her and think they’re on her side.
Anyone who thinks the compensation you might get is worth enduring what you go through when reporting a rape has no idea whatsoever what it's like. NO IDEA.
To sum up: Why the everhateful fuck is rape always about the victim and not about the rapist? Maybe because articles like that are written and make angling it on the victim acceptable. You know what? It shouldn't be.
(I so need a BSG WTF icon.)
This concludes the rage of the day.
OH NO YOU DIDN'T.
He then goes on to bitch about his taxes being used to compensate rape victims. Ohnoes, you know. His precious tax pounds.
So I suppose we must resign ourselves to the fact that a growing slice of our taxes will be handed over to victims of unsolved rapes, while rape itself increases – the inevitable result of the collapse of sexual morality.
But I cannot see why women who ignore the wisdom of the ages, and make themselves more likely to be victims by drinking too much, should get the same size cheque as women who are raped despite acting responsibly.
You, good sir, are a fuckwit and let me explain to you very slowly in your chosen language of English.
1) You are putting the focus on THE VICTIM. What about the guys who drink and then do stupid shit like rape? Not a word about how bad they are for society, I note. No, no. Lets make it all about the victim and not the culprit. So you want to talk about how drinking is bad and a factor in rape? Yeah, make it about the victim and not the culprits who rape while under the influence. Gee, notice something slightly off there?
2) Doing something dumb now gets you less sympathy? WTF is sympathy, some sort of currency with a fluctuating exchange rate? Someone who is a bit 'dim' (to use your words) has as much right to your sympathy as anyone else because what happened to her is equally horrible no matter why it happened.
3) Women who are drunk do no more asked to be raped than women who wear low-cut tops, women who walk home alone, women who live. Women are more likely to be raped just by living, as it so happens. Drinking might put women in a more vunerable position, but so can a lot of other things. If you start deducting compensation for risk factor you might as well deduct some for living in general. Life is risk, because our society is not safe and somehow, we as a women are a bit dim unless we're willing to live life a little less because some guys are fuckwits who rape?
4) Most rapes do not happen between strangers. Most happen between a victim and a perp that know each other. Are we supposed to blame women who trust a guy they know enough to drink with him but not the guy who takes advantage of this trust to rape? If all it takes is a bit of drinking and men can't help themselves, why are not they being locked up as protective measure?
5) 'Of course she is culpable, just as she would be culpable if she crashed a car and injured someone while drunk, or stepped out into the traffic while drunk and was run over.' Ye Gods, your comparison to being drunk and stepping into the road to get hit by a passing car. No woman forces a guy to rape her by stepping into his path. So she got plastered. That does not mean the guy couldn't help himself. He could and he didn't. It's more like the guy driving saw a drunk woman, deliberately turned his car to hit her because he knew her ability to react would be impaired. See the rather crucial difference there? You might say 'oh, if she hadn't been drunk, she might have been able to throw herself to one side and not get hit, so it's a bit on her really'. THE CAR STILL WENT FOR HER. She still got hit. It still hurt just as much if she had been sober when hit.
6) ‘If women want to dress provocatively, then they should be free to do so, and I say thanks a lot to those who do.’ OH BITE ME. I don't dress for you, I don't want your thanks and it's not for you to approve of how I dress. That's always and forever my choice.
7) Binge-drinking and stupid shit happening while drunk IS a society problem, yeah. But it's also something given quite a lot of pass in society, indulged in a 'haha-you-know-what-I-did-while-drunk-last-weekend' way and even pushed to a certain degree. So faulting women for drinking when men do it merrily to the same degree because rape is something to mostly happen to women? Double standards, fuckwit. Heard of them?
8) Your aside about how 'collapse of sexual morality' has lead to more rape? HAI, you don't know that. What you might know is that reports of rape has increased, maybe because women feel a little more supported when reporting it these days. A little. Rape is still hugely underreported and you don't think this was the case in some glorious nostalgic olden times? Don't put the past on a pedastal - everything wasn't better before. And quite frankly, any sort of implication that sexual liberation of women has lead to more rape is disgusting and pinning it on the woman AGAIN. You better not be implying that, you fuckwit.
The comments are full of fail and men going on about how many women evilly accuse poor innocent men of rape to make money. To which I rather like this reply:
The conviction rate for rape in the UK is about 6%. In the meantime, a woman who accuses a man of rape has a 100% chance of getting treatment that accompanies no other crime: she’ll be blamed, she’ll be lectured on what she did wrong and what else she coulda shoulda woulda done, she’ll have her every sexual choice before or after the alleged crime dissected, she’ll be told he couldn’t have meant it because he’s just not really like that, she’ll be told it’s not that serious really and can’t she just let it go for the good of all, she’ll be questioned for her determination to ruin a man’s life for what was really just one little mistake; and that’s from the people who believe her and think they’re on her side.
Anyone who thinks the compensation you might get is worth enduring what you go through when reporting a rape has no idea whatsoever what it's like. NO IDEA.
To sum up: Why the everhateful fuck is rape always about the victim and not about the rapist? Maybe because articles like that are written and make angling it on the victim acceptable. You know what? It shouldn't be.
(I so need a BSG WTF icon.)
This concludes the rage of the day.
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Date: 2008-08-21 05:22 pm (UTC)What *I* did was hang out with my friend, same as I'd done ten thousand times before, and what I expected was to hang out with my friend, same as I'd done ten thousand times before. It IS NOT my fault that that time he up and decided he just felt like taking what he wanted without asking, because he knew if he asked, I'd say no.
Bast
P.S.---can I steal that icon, now that I have space for it? Pretty please?
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Date: 2008-08-22 09:59 am (UTC)And sure - it's a long time since I made that one, but I think I did post it at some point with a 'feel free to snag with credit'.