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AHAHAHA. I spent a moment forgetting being sad due the fact that they were in Norway. Whee! I so have to write a DW fic about this now. But dude, "Dårlig ulv stranda"? Um, that's not the best translation I've seen there of Bad Wolf. "Slem ulv" would be better, dårlig is more in the meaning of something spoilt or horrid, as opposed to mean. Bad food would be dårlig mat, for instance. But ah well - they were in Norway! Yay, my country gets an appearance, even if it was some part of the UK doubling for it. I need an icon of that with "Norwegain goodbye" or some such, I do.

Right, that patriotic moment over - parts of this episode I enjoyed very much and parts of it left me wanting. Much emotion all around, and loved the fact that Rose now works for alt!Torchwood. Cybermen and Daleks so not getting along just entertained me to great lengths, and yay, Daleks appears to be winning before the Doctor called the match off. Or maybe they'll keep fighting it, in the Void. Fingers crossed.

Pete and Jackie were cute, and yay, kickass!Mickey. And Harriet Jones mention! Love it! I hope you kick ass in that Universe, Harriet Jones, President for alt!Earth.

So, the Doctor and Rose... Okay, I was sad. And loved the way Tennant played it. Billie did a good job as well, so I did feel for them and I am a hopeless romantic and all. But it's not a show-ender for me. I'll keep watching, and in a sense I did feel the character of Rose stagnated a bit due to the writing, so perhaps it was time to go. That won't stop me writing fanfics that reunite them, I'm sure. Shut up. I am a hopeless romantic.

Oh, and the moment of pregnancy reveal - did the Doctor think for a moment it was his, or that Rose had gone back to Mickey? Hum. One might wonder. But good on Jackie.

So, did like. But I felt a bit like it missed something. Not sure quite what. Maybe the characters arcs weren't quite fulfilling. Only seen it once so far, maybe it'll become clearer in the morning.

Psst! If finale made you sad, I'm still taking fic requests here

Also, yay on you Germany! Bronze, well done. I like your football team now, I do, and hope for delightful matches in the future.

Date: 2006-07-09 12:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nostalgia-lj.livejournal.com
Oh, and the moment of pregnancy reveal - did the Doctor think for a moment it was his, or that Rose had gone back to Mickey? Hum. One might wonder.

I rewatched to check and there's a tiiiiiny hint of smile in with the "wtf already? i thought you'd be emo like i am!" and then she laughs like it's nothing. But it's totally playing with us.

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Date: 2006-07-09 12:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malaleen.livejournal.com
Saw your link at [livejournal.com profile] time_and_chips and followed you over.

As an American, I haven't seen the episode yet as I'm waiting for the download, but I have thoroughly spoiled myself as to what happened. I agree that they've probably played out Rose's character, but as I see it, it could have been worse for us. At least she's not dead.

Okay, she's in an alt-world with little chance of returning. I very much doubt we'll see her on the show again, but I think there's a lot to work with fan fic wise. She's working at Torchwood, which is dedicated to the stuff like the Doctor, so time travel isn't an issue. There are many ways a writer could reuite the two of them again, even bring in Jack. I can easily see Rose dedicating herself to finding a way back to the Doctor.

As for the baby thing at the end, I honestly think we can just leave that open for interpretation. Adds to the fun of the ship, I think.

And I'll be around next season too. I'm interested to see what Martha Jones is going to be like and how she'll reaction to the Doctor.

Date: 2006-07-09 12:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
*waves* Hello!

I've read some people would've prefered her to die, but I rather liked that she didn't. As you said, it opens for a lot of fanfic, not just for possible reuniting them, but what she might do on her own.

So am I. Have you joined [livejournal.com profile] lifeonmartha? Even as I'll miss Rose, I am curious about new companion.

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Date: 2006-07-09 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] puredeadthingy.livejournal.com
I loved the Norway bit--I was all 'My God, is she writing for them now?'. But then they didn't kiss, so I thought you couldn't be.

Date: 2006-07-09 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
I might've written in a snog or two, yeah. Alas, was not to be. But still - Norway!

Date: 2006-07-09 12:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wendymr.livejournal.com
So thought of you when Rose said they were in Norway!

As an ending, a departure, as I've already said over on T&C, this didn't do it for me. I was hoping for something that would give Rose (and me) closure, and I didn't get it. Lots of emotion, sure, and that he cared enough to come and say goodbye was lovely, as was the acting when the two of them were on opposite sides of the wall.

Positive: Rose Tyler, Defender of the Earth. I liked that. She didn't go back to shop-work - not that Pete would ever have let that happen.

Negative: she didn't choose to leave, either as a positive thing to go back to her reunited 'parents', or as a decision to do it to save the Earth, or the Doctor. Yes, she was sucked through because she was trying to stop the lever being pulled, but I didn't get the impression that she knew she could get sucked in.

Anyway - yes, lots of scope for fic. Meeting an alt-Jack, yes; what about an alternate Doctor? As far as I remember, he didn't rule out the possibility that there could be a version of him in the parallel universe. Or reunion fic through some route or other - will probably write one myself one of these days.

Date: 2006-07-09 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Not sure how they could've crediable parted them by will given how the writers have written Rose and the Doctor, really. Food for thought, perhaps. Though I think Rose knew it was a risk she was taking when she pulled at that lever. She has shown will to sacrifice herself before, certainly.

Reunion fics will most decidedly be very popular at T&C for a while. I got a few different versions in mind myself already. A few set in Norway, because honestly, how can I resist?

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Date: 2006-07-10 01:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] skipchat.livejournal.com
"Meeting an alt-Jack, yes; what about an alternate Doctor? As far as I remember, he didn't rule out the possibility that there could be a version of him in the parallel universe."

**de-lurks**

This thought had crossed my mind as well. I wonder if she still by chance has her cell phone with her and, if so, could she use it to ring the alternate Universe's TARDIS? Wouldn't *that* be a shock to him?!? And while I'm thinking along those lines, would the Doctor that she contacted be the Ninth Doctor, or the Tenth (for whatever reason he'd regenerated)? Or even the Eighth doctor, if, say, the destruction of Gallifrey had never taken place in that particular Universe? I would imagine seeing *him* would be one hell of a shock to her, perhaps even along the lines of her initial reaction to Ten in the CIN special. Imagine Rose running up, in joy, to a newly-appearing TARDIS only to find a totally unfamiliar face on its' owner...

**dissolves into puddle of imagined ficcy goodness**

Date: 2006-07-09 01:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sc-angel72.livejournal.com
Followed your link from [livejournal.com profile] time_and_chips as well. *waves* I'm basically in the same boat. My hopelessly romantic heart wanted more and was a bit put out that that we didn't get the words OR a good-bye kill. But aside from that, I was also a bit frustrated by the somewhat ambiguous end. Yes, Rose and the Doctor were separated, but by accident or design, there has been a doorway between the two realities/universes twice now, so the idea is automatically planted that it could happen again. Frankly, as much as I've loved the ship, I was hoping for a more definitive 'end' for them.

I also was frustrated by what [livejournal.com profile] wendymr pointed out that she didn't choose to leave, whatever the reason. So she's left hurting and 'dead' inside in AULand. That just... hurts. I'd prefer her to at least have the joy of knowing her sacrifice saved the world, saved the Doctor, etc. I think that would sustain her more than being ripped away.

So, RTD left the door open. I'll be interested to see if anything comes of it, given all the misinformation we've been 'given' over the last six months. If he ever did bring Rose back, it could be a whole new dynamic if she's spent several years at Torchwood and isn't the Doctor's little tag-along. But don't get me wrong, I'm not holding my breath and I'm definitely looking ahead to the new companion and the Face of Boe mystery.

In the end, though, even if if things were left more ambiguous than I'd like, I'm just glad it's over. All the speculation (and boy was I WRONG! LOL!!) was starting to grate on me. Now I can get back to WIPs and contemplate the aforementioned reunion fic. Yay for reunion fic! Bring it on!

Sorry for the long rambling in your LJ!

Date: 2006-07-09 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
DW does cruel things at times - this was certainly one of them. Meanies. But in a way, it felt sort of fitting as well.

If she does return, it will no doubt be for a Very Special Episode. I hope new companion gets plenty of time to establish herself before any such thing, anyway.

Only future will tell...

(And ramble away - this is an open sort of LJ, anyhoo.)

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Date: 2006-07-09 01:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] regala-electra.livejournal.com
Hee, when I heard Norway, I totally went, "wha?"

Good to know that their translations are still bad. Didn't they also mangle the German on the bomb? It said like Rubbish Dog or something.

Date: 2006-07-09 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Should've seen my WTF face. Must truly have been something to behold.

My German aren't that good, so I don't know. Given what they did to Norwegian, I would certainly believe them capable.

Date: 2006-07-09 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bamfer.livejournal.com
I think you're right, a better translation would probably be "Böser Wolf". It's much the same mistake as they made with the Norwegian, in that "schlecht" ("Schlechter Wolf" is what it said on the bomb) is more like bad as in rotton or food that's gone bad, or also wrong (like going on a "bad" or "wrong" path), while "böse" is more like angry or mean, and can also mean evil (ie. "das Gute und Böse" means "good and evil").

The "Wolf" part is correct, though, it's spelled exactly the same in German as in English and means the same thing (though it's pronounced a bit different, the "w" is pronounced like a "v" and the "o" is pronounced sort of like the "o" in "old"... not quite right but closer"). A dog in German is "Hund" (similar to "hound" in English).

Have to admit that in between my tears I did have space for a tiny thought of how thrilled misscam would be about their goodbye being in Norway :)

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Date: 2006-07-09 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bjam1402.livejournal.com
I went, "KAwha? Norway? Did Cam get friendly with some more writers for DW?" :P

It was a cute episode though. Lots of funny stuff, then a hint of emotion at the end. Very nice mix really.

But... 170 days? D:

Date: 2006-07-09 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
I WISH

Yeah, it mostly worked, I thought. And yeah, hideously long wait. Argh.

Date: 2006-07-09 03:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] everysecondtues.livejournal.com
Oh, and the moment of pregnancy reveal - did the Doctor think for a moment it was his, or that Rose had gone back to Mickey?
I think that he thought it would be his. At least, that was my general impression. The implications of that . . . *g* They were so cute together. I don't think Rose is my favorite companion, ever, but I did like her. I'll miss her, Mickey, and Jackie.

Date: 2006-07-09 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
It was done in such a way you could interpret it whichever way you wanted, I suppose. And yeah, certainly some interesting implications if you take it a certain way.

Sniff. Bye-bye old, hello new.

Date: 2006-07-09 03:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aervir.livejournal.com
I liked this episode until about, um, minute 37 or so.

Then Rose starts hearing voices, we get an OTT farewell on a beach which was about as subtle as a sledgehammer, the Doctor mentions timebabiez; and I am left pitying poor Rose, who hasn't got a spare heart to replace her broken one, or hating RTD, whose idea of closure for a character arc is a wee bit strange.

But actually, I did think of you when it became clear that the ending took place in Norway. ;)

Date: 2006-07-09 04:11 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
I'm beginning to wonder if it setting stuff up, given some statements. But we shall no doubt find out.

Heh, you weren't the only one, it seems.

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Date: 2006-07-09 07:52 am (UTC)
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Hmmmm, do you think there's an alt!Doctor in the alt!universe Rose is now in?

Date: 2006-07-09 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Is possible, though we haven't really had any hints there are - but hasn't been said there isn't, so who knows...

Date: 2006-07-09 10:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boz4pm.livejournal.com
Ha! See? *grins* Norway for Teh Win! :D I loved the way it worked out with the separation. Cos if she'd been forced to go by the Doctor it would have been not quite right. And if she'd stayed but died it would have been awful. But to stay and then nearly die and the only way she can actually live is by Pete doing what he did - grabbing her just before she gets sucked into the void - was perfect. And I loved that moment with their hands/ears up against the wall - like he was projecting something to her and she could sense it.

Daleks kicking Cybermens butts was awesome, and I love the idea of them battling it out in the void - you just KNOW that's a plot of a future Doctor story right there: rift opens up from the void and warring Daleks and Cybermen spill out onto some world somewhere.

I think the Doc thought it was Mickey's, or kind of had to ask but perhaps knew it wouldn't be Mickey's. Especially since it came straight after the line about 'I see you still have Mickey' or somesuch - the implication being that perhaps he and Rose were back together again.

My one regret? What, no Captain Jack?!

:D

Date: 2006-07-09 10:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boz4pm.livejournal.com
Oh, and yeah I cried. Cos I is a sad git at heart. ;P

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Date: 2006-07-09 10:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dune-drd.livejournal.com
You got a badly translated beach. All I got was a badly translated bomb ;)

Team's on the way to Berlin now, we'll be World Champoins in celebrating at least

Date: 2006-07-09 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Let us bond in bad translation woes.

Yay you!

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Date: 2006-07-09 11:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fried-flamingo.livejournal.com
Yey for Norway!! And booo for the sucky translation. lol Do you think they used darlig simply because of its resemblance to Dalek and thought 'sssh no one tell the norwegians and maybe they won't notice' hee

Date: 2006-07-09 12:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] misscam.livejournal.com
Possible - or they just didn't realise the bad translation and thought the "dårlig" sounding a bit like Dalek just a bonus.

Date: 2006-07-09 03:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] falena
I WATCHED IT AT LAST!
And almost died laughing when Rose said they were in Norway. I wish I could have seen your face in that moment.
Too bad this partially ruined the emo goodbye moment for me, but I didn't like it much anyway. I found the "goodbye through the wall" much more effective and subtle. It'd have been quite enough for me. I guess I'm not a good shipper.

All in all, it was a good episode. David was brilliant.

170 days. *cries*

Date: 2006-07-10 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fondued-jicama.livejournal.com
Oh, and the moment of pregnancy reveal - did the Doctor think for a moment it was his, or that Rose had gone back to Mickey? Hum. One might wonder. But good on Jackie.

Guh, I know! And the look he gave her. *Is happy and glow-y* It leaves much to the imagination... undoubtedly he was supposed to /mean/ Mickey, but nobody's going to /choose/ to take it that way. =D

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